Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[verpies]

With regard to your comments above. Points 1&2. IMO there IS little torque that is why the Disc assembly takes so long to reach running speed.

The torque can be estimated and it does not look good for your hypothesis.
Each 50x2cm brass disk has a mass of 34kg, that's 68kg for two disks, with the shaft and pulley the whole rotor weighs let's say 80kg.
Now watch the video and write what you think the angular acceleration is (in RPMs/sec.), with the generator attached and without it (the rotor of the big generator probably weighs additional 60kg).
From there we will be able to calculate the moment of inertia and tangential linear force acting on the perimeter of that 10cm toroid in that plastic holder necessary to achieve this acceleration and we will see if a mere squeeze-fit would be sufficient to keep the toroid motionless.

Yes, to the eye the toroid does not appear to be wound correctly but with your reply to Hoppy and I quote"I strongly suspect that a different set if orthogonal windings is concealed under the ordinary toroidal winding."  Have you contradicted yourself?

Not at all. IMO the orthogonal windings are necessary to form a rotary transformer in order to transfer a HF signal to the helical coil between the disks.  Note that a multimeter shows millivolts when connected to the terminals of the toroid (a primary of a rotary transformer).

You postulate that the orthogonal windings act directly on the magnet-laced shaft to produce torque. I postulate orthogonal windings for coupling a HF signal to a rotating shaft.
It is important to emphasize that your "motor windings" are still orthogonal to my "rotary transformer windings" and both of them are orthogonal to the deceptive "ordinary toroidal windings". In a 3D world we can have thee types of windings which are all mutually perpendicular/orthogonal.  Hence no contradiction.

And now you are suggesting that the shaft is a tubular one. You could "hide a bus in there"

Yes, a hollow shaft could contain magnets but that does not solve the force problem at the radius of the shaft, nor the constant frequency noise inconsistency, nor the steel's permeability fuzzing up the poles of the concealed magnets (if steel is used) with its shielding properties of constant and varying magnetic fields, nor the problem of only two-wires at the toroid's terminals, nor the low multimeter reading there.

Hoppy's theory of drive coils hidden in the bearing pedestals and acting magnetically on the rims of the disks with constant frequency solves all these problems with simplicity.
The shielding of the aluminum plate would attenuate the AC/PDC fields from those hidden coils, but no more that 57% and it would vibrate them audibly.  The AC shielding could be further minimized by thinner aluminum walls.  Thus his idea is workable more than yours and mine.

Finally you did not make any comment about what effect a steady stream of Beta particles being radiated would have upon a digital camera.

It would interfere with it but only at close distances and not along the extension of the radius of the disks because the axial magnetic field of permanent magnets between the disks (around the shaft and under the coil), would confine the fast electrons not only inside the disks but also outside them. 
Also, in order to be visible, beta would have to be pretty strong to get through the lens to the CCD and overwhelm the regular light.  Gamma would not have this problem.

[Hoppy]

If we make a reasonable assumption that the TK motor devices are based on a Bedini type monopole motor / energiser principle and as we are told, there is a common link between these motor devices and the completely solid state 'green box' and aqua2 devices, then the common link as I see it could just be simplicity and the need for a source of input energy. Bedini's solid state energiser version simply takes the trigger winding (that was receiving induced current pulses from the rotor magnets for switching the power coil) and anti-phases it to the power winding to create an oscillator. The power coil discharge between pulses in both types of devices can be used to charge and condition batteries and capacitors or power loads directly. TK may have discovered a way of self-running his solid state devices but I think it far more likely that he is still using a concealed power supply. The only outstanding question that I cannot answer with any degree of confidence is whether the supply is external or internal to the aqua2 device and if external, how is it being brought into the aquarium. I view the aqua2 device as the culmination of his ingenuity. I'm not ruling out an NMR explanation for self-running.

[a.king21]

Look, Hoppy: I "designed" the aquarium 2 just for that reason. I asked for no frills, bells or whistles. I requested RAW POWER at 2KW for HOURS.
Tariel did just that: 4 and a half hours at 2 kw. A total of 9 KWH.
As for the guy "gingerly" touching the output cable which is next to a LIVE DRAIN: take a look at Tariel's patent. It PLAINLY states that the neutral output goes to ground. PLAINLY.
So wouldn't any of us treat such a cable gingerly? Imagine a 2 kw fire with the neutral connected to ground. Wouldn't any of us treat the uninsulated ground wire  with caution - in case of an internal short or malfunction? I know I would.
So look at the patent, shall we, and get our heads together, and let us WORK THE BLOODY THING OUT.
How many "degrees" and experienced researchers are looking at this thread? Surely if we stick to one thing that has plenty of clues we can figure it out.
And there is no better clue than 2 patent applications and lots of builds on that principle.
So here's some homework:
In the aquarium 2 the output is a 2 kw fire. The spark gap fires at much more than 220 volts. I've done the experiment with a 220v spark gap. It is tiny. We know that his devices can power electric motors, incandescent lights and electric heaters and electric fans. So the question is, "How big is the voltage or COMBINATION of voltages that we need in order  to produce the big spark gap in the aquarium 2 if it is used as an overload protector?".
If we solve that mystery we will be on our way.

[Zeitmaschine]

From there we will be able to calculate the moment of inertia and tangential linear force acting on the perimeter of that 10cm toroid in that plastic holder necessary to achieve this acceleration and we will see if a mere squeeze-fit would be sufficient to keep the toroid motionless.

At the beginning of the video the narrator says:

Die Zeitverschiebung(?) des gravitionalen Motors ist die Umwandlung der Energie des gravitionalen Feldes in die drehbare mechanische Energie, die man in beliebigem energieförderndem Aggregat oder System verwenden kann.

The time shift(?) of the gravitational motor is the conversion of energy of the gravitational field into rotating mechanical energy which can be used in any energy conveying device or system.

So there is a shift in time involved here? Interesting (but maybe just a translation error).

[Hoppy]

Look a.king21, I know you have no more idea than anyone else how the aqua2 works and therefore are eager for someone to work this out but lets take things step by step. I remember you saying something to the effect that there was a common link between TK's motor devices and his solid state devices. I also remember you saying that he used Bedini tech. Well surprise, surprise, I think you may well be right! The problem I have with this, is that he also uses a pile of batteries to run his motors, so this hardly gives me confidence that he has not faked the green box and aqua devices as being self-runners. Even if I hang around on this thread until page 2000, I'm not going to work out how he did the aqua2 until I know what was under that bloody lump of concrete oustside the front door, neutral or no neutral!