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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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dllabarre

Quote from: stivep on September 10, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4


question:
if anyone  wants  to put doubts into  it.....

first answer  why someone went through all of that  problems with patents and expenses of it too.
just  the patent as complicated as paper clip costs  around 10k

Wesley


Someone said S.Marks didn't get a patent?
That video shows a patent Application.  Not an approved patent.
So it could very well be the patent application of S. Marks TPU device.
Good find.


DonL


stivep

Quote from: dllabarre on November 11, 2015, 12:09:52 AM

Someone said S.Marks didn't get a patent?
That video shows a patent Application.  Not an approved patent.
So it could very well be the patent application of S. Marks TPU device.
Good find.


DonL
What you did not understand is fact  that patent  in patent office cost pennies comparing to cost of patent application.
In 1998 I have paid to patent preparer  $6000  friendly price  for preparing patent application.
At that time I  was told that patent  as simple as paper clip cost $20 000, however you might be lucky and have it done for 10 k if you  talk to guys  workers in my office,  you'll find someone who  will do it after hours.
So that was a price for "paper clip" patent ,
Tariel Kapanadze "paid" to mr Turk 50%  from  future profit  from his invention.
Mr Turk is brilliant Turkish  patent attorney who made so good  international patent application that no-one has an even slide chance after that  to patent anything that is even close to Tariel  patent application. However patent was never issued  -the application is valid for ever.
50 years from now if anyone from your children  invent FE based on electrostatic effect that Tariel's patent application  will stop  your son from getting patent.
That is how  in patent law many ideas have been  frozen.


Another example is PATENT  THAT  WAS REVOKED:
  Marconi was suing american  government for using his wireless technology in the  1st WW.
After the Death of Nikolai Tesla  patent  right  have been issued to   Tesla and Tesla did not have any children and any  family, and......................
hee....... time  of patent rights expired.


America has saved more money  than its  all  yearly income .


Quote
question:
if anyone  wants  to put doubts into  it.....first answer  why someone went through all of that  problems with patents and expenses of it too.just  the patent as complicated as paper clip costs  around 10k



 


Wesley

Void

Quote from: stivep on November 11, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
Tariel Kapanadze "paid" to mr Turk 50%  from  future profit  from his invention.
Mr Turk is brilliant Turkish  patent attorney who made so good  international patent application that no-one has an even slide chance after that  to patent anything that is even close to Tariel  patent application. However patent was never issued  -the application is valid for ever.
50 years from now if anyone from your children  invent FE based on electrostatic effect that Tariel's patent application  will stop  your son from getting patent.
That is how  in patent law many ideas have been  frozen.
Wesley

For a patent to be considered valid, any other person who is 'well versed in the art' should be able to
read the patent and reproduce a working device from only the details provided in the patent application. However, as we all
know, it is probably seldom the case that a patent application actually fully meets such a requirement, but nevertheless
Kapanadze's patent applications were so completely vague that no one could likely at all reproduce his devices
from just the technical details provided within his patent applications. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about from
Kapanadze's patent applications. They were very sub-standard at best. You just can't say with any certainty at all
just what specific unique circuit configuration constituted his claimed new invention. :)

stivep

Quote from: Void on November 11, 2015, 12:31:44 PM
For a patent to be considered valid, any other person who is 'well versed in the art' should be able to
read the patent and reproduce a working device from only the details provided in the patent application. However, as we all
know, it is probably seldom the case that a patent application actually fully meets such a requirement, but nevertheless
Kapanadze's patent applications were so completely vague that no one could likely at all reproduce his devices
from just the technical details provided within his patent applications. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about from
Kapanadze's patent applications. They were very sub-standard at best. You just can't say with any certainty at all
just what specific unique circuit configuration constituted his claimed new invention. :)
completely wrong assumption.
For purpose of new patent filing the  international search is required( even for national patent)
The subject of patent application must be novel.
QuoteThe claims are the heart of a patent, in that they define the limits of exactly what the patent does, and does not, cover. That is, the patentee has the right to exclude others from making, using or selling, only those things which are described by the claims.
And that is where gray area for  anyone whose interest  is against  that patent approval can use it.
However there have been many of patents revoked  even after patent was issued ,when evidence of  doubtful  novelty was discovered.
Usually it was done by big entities -when patent was in direct conflict with entity interests.
So for new filing it is not important that Tariel Kapanadze patent was not issued, and skilled in art is unable to  reproduce  the same effects.
1.description " skilled in art" is wide range  field to legal maneuver.
2.Patent  application expires but his art stays  against novelty rights of any   later art filed.
3. to prove that novelty of patent application   is  wrong/misleading/ fraudulent -  there is  enough  to present  any written  text or spoken one that can serve as a prove and/or  graphical-visual prove published or presented anywhere * that took place prior  to  date and time  of the stamp in  post office serving as a prove .


Wesley



Void

Quote from: stivep on November 11, 2015, 04:39:36 PM
completely wrong assumption.
For purpose of new patent filing the  international search is required( even for national patent)
The subject of patent application must be novel. And that is where gray area for  anyone whose interest  is against  that patent approval can use it.
However there have been many of patents revoked  even after patent was issued ,when evidence of  doubtful  novelty was discovered.
Usually it was done by big entities -when patent was in direct conflict with entity interests.
So for new filing it is not important that Tariel Kapanadze patent was not issued, and skilled in art is unable to  reproduce  the same effects.
1.description " skilled in art" is wide range  field to legal maneuver.
2.Patent  application expires but his art stays  against novelty rights of any   later art filed.
3. to prove that novelty of patent application   is  wrong/misleading/ fraudulent -  there is  enough  to present  any written  text or spoken one that can serve as a prove and/or  graphical-visual prove published or presented anywhere * that took place prior  to  date and time  of the stamp in  post office serving as a prove .
Wesley

Kapanadze's patent applications are completely vague. You can't tell from his patent applications what he was supposed
to be patenting.  ;) Kapanadze also kept the details of his circuits a secret in his demonstrations, so no one can really say what
the novel circuit configuration is that Kapanadze supposedly invented. You are not patenting the 'subject', you are patenting
the specific circuit and the specific way or ways that circuit is used. No one really knows what Kapanadze has done however since he kept
everything secret.

It is interesting that a guy named Volodymyr Lietunov has actually submitted a patent application for a circuit that appears
to possibly be quite similar to what Kapanadze has done, and this applicant has just said that his 'invention' is an improvement on
Kapanadze's invention since he uses no direct electrical contact to collect the energy from the coil, and he says ground and
an antenna aren't necessary in his invention (I never saw Kapanadze use an 'antenna'). However since no one really knows what the
specific circuit configuration details are for Kapanadze's invention for the reasons I have pointed out, it really appears that Lietunov is just
trying to pull a fast one and trying to patent something very similar to what he thinks Kapanadze was doing, as near as anyone can guess anyway. ;)
It will be interesting to see if Lietunov gets his patent application granted or not. Since Kapanadze has kept his circuit details secret
and his patent applications are so vague, no one can say for sure or not whether Lietunov is trying to patent the same thing
that Kapanadze has done, or if he really has come up with something novel ;)