Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[Pirate88179]

tishatang:

Do you think he made use of a spark gap too?  I have always thought that maybe he did and, after seeing Tariel Kapanadze's work, I think it it is even more likely.

Bill

[jeanna]

Hi Bill,
I once asked Ian how to see if he did that. (Do you remember I thought it would have been inside that globe like a van de graff ball?)
He told me to put a piece of very thin paper between the wires, and he said I would probably not be able to see it at the frequencies he thought I was looking at.
I did this.
I never did see a spark, even at night.
I also connected a peizo speaker and thought that I might have heard a scratch or 2.

Now, my and Ian's assumptions about the frequency could be wrong.
It is when I decided I really needed a scope, since I couldn't see any spark.

Since this year with the scope showed so many frequencies and many at lower levels, I am questioning all the above.

@Tishatang.
I see.
An external device would have fit into everything NS was doing too.
He was working out signaling from a caller, so it is not out of the question as I once thought it was.

thank you,

jeanna

edit:
But, I still prefer the idea that he used a spark gap as the switching mechanism.

[Pirate88179]

Jeanna:

Yes, as you know, this is just supposition on my part but, I think it fits.  As we all have been figuring out, Stubblefield used both materials and methods that were around in his day.  So, this could easily mean spark gap instead of transistors which were not invented later.

I did not post any freqs on the EER as after seeing my complex triple waveform, I have no idea on how to separate and or isolate the freqs on my scope.  Jim has also reported multiple freqs as have you.  I would like to see what they are just in case there is a relationship between them, as in harmonics, or something like that.  Or, maybe they are all just 3 totally different freqs that come from the earth?  I have no idea.

I also agree with you 100% that those dome like devices could easily house the spark gap.  A sphere inside firing to the concave dome would do it.  BTW a piece of paper is about .003" and with the power we have seen from our set-ups, you would need to be much closer than that, maybe .0003"  might do it?  NS had those huge coils and many of them (series, parallel?) so I think it was much easier for him to get a decent spark.  Kapanadze's video showed a gap of about 1/8" if I remember right.  Somehow, he was able to get enough energy from the earth to make that jump his gap.  I wish I knew what all this meant.

Bill

[MW383]

Tishitang,

I'm back from a bunch of travels and now getting caught up in here. Summary of the travels is no surprise; power company wants to sell you lots and lots of electricity and continue charging you lots of money. So after these little corporate games my interests in Stubblefield are even more renewed. While on the road I read various posts here in addition to auxillary information. At any rate, I remain curious as to applying the resonance system to each winding. It appears that ground post material for each winding is flexible in regards to material. So if I just went with a copper pipe for each, this is good? I will most likely start out with smaller pipe diameters of less than an inch and lengths less than 24 inches. It seems prudent to space these pipes so that they are 3ft from each other. (I'm still debating what mechanisms are at play here) Any further suggestions most welcome here.....

The other question I have is in regards to capacitors. I'm not electronics wizard but it looks like using variable capacitors being suggested here. I am under the assumption that these devices operate in frequency ranges and also under the impression that being able to operate from 7hz-2khz is in order. I need to either make or buy this stuff so I can get busy in the ground. I certainly have old radio equipment that can be hacked but would this get me into frequency ranges we are talking about here?

So we tune in each variable capacitor to achieve a good observable result. I am presuming this is at a low frequency and = to natural earth frequency. So once tuned in, how do we stay locked on to what I assume is a naturally variable earth frequency? (again, still trying to get mechanisms at play straight in my mind)

other thoughts.....

I read somewhere in posts that someone suggested that copper could be slightly smaller in guage than iron. I would like to confirm this as being probably an OK thing to do. The reason being chemistry mechanism in regards to incoming earth charge. We end up bypassing the half reactions occurring when we pick up earth charges thus truth to the urban legend that the copper windings being unreacted after extended service times. I still think the iron will corrode heavily which is not necessarily a bad thing because iron oxide better than just bare iron. We just need to make sure that this iron corrosion does not bridge to copper directly. This is where I hope cotton wire insulation I will be using holds up. There are wire size considerations here as well. Cotton insulated copper wire has a total diameter (wire itself + cotton insulation thickness). To create even winding situation, bare iron wire needs to be same as total diameter of insulated cotton wire. So in this scenerio, the actual wire guage of the iron would be larger than that of the copper. I am working with a 16ga iron and 18ga cotton insulated copper scenerio in my current build (total diameters very close to each other)

I am still debating about core insulation material and insulating material between windings. I really want a polypropylene based battery 'seperator' material. Reason = better capillary action of ground based moisture. I have yet to find a source.

, MW383

[jeanna]

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I did not post any freqs on the EER as after seeing my complex triple waveform, I have no idea on how to separate and or isolate the freqs on my scope.  Jim has also reported multiple freqs as have you.  I would like to see what they are just in case there is a relationship between them, as in harmonics, or something like that.  Or, maybe they are all just 3 totally different freqs that come from the earth?  I have no idea.


Bill

I wasn't being critical.
I just would love to have a comparison.

The appearance is so similar, but are mine somehow different?
Are we all getting 2.4Mhz and more?
Mine ranged from about 20 to 22hz all the way to above what my scope could read.

I guess I assumed this info would come along with the datalogging.
I just wish it had.

thanks,

jeanna