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The self-filling siphon, and why can't it be done?

Started by Nabo00o, July 18, 2009, 04:20:00 PM

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Nabo00o

This is also a continuation on my post here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6836.msg185402#new

So the process here is actually very simple to understand, no unnecessary parts are added.

Since the mass of the water hanging on the right side (the two pipes) is more than the mass of the water on the left side, and thus its weight is more, an imbalance of the two forces should cause the the water to flow down and pull with it the water existing in the tube all the way down to the bottom.

So Hans Von Lieven (since this is a direct experiment to test your paper), why can't the water flow like proposed, and if it can, then it will continue without stopping till the water has evaporated or until mechanical failure has damaged the construction (which will take some time!).

I am happy to discuss the scenarios which would normally hinder this process in working and why I think this is different. Btw, you could also compeer this to a gravity wheel. It could use the same idea of unbalancing the force of gravity.

Naboo

Edit: To those who don't know what a siphon is, check out these two links as they are handy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=siphon&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10&fp=hW_iG4xv4cU
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

Nabo00o

Here's another picture.
It shows that if you increase the volume of water hanging on the right side you can increase the suction pressure and thus also the hight which the water can be transported to.
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

infringer

Test your theory should be fairly easy to accomplish!

Post results looks like it would be worth a shot all the math and comments in the world do not hold water to a good old fashioned test hands on it is where the most can be learned as well.

This test should be cheap and requires little space so anyone can test it!
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Nabo00o

Thank you Infringer, and yeah I totally agree!
Theory isn't worth anything if it can't be proven practically! That does also include my idea.
I tried to test it earlier by drilling several holes in a soda-bottle and then connect several tubes to it.
Sadly it never got airtight and wouldn't work at all, I do however have plans to test it later with a better setup.

In the mean time I thought it could be useful to give the idea to several people, maybe someone who has the parts already lying around and can test it.

Here's a more extreme yet possible setup if the principle works:
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

craZy

I was intrigued so i went and tried your idea using a 12ft length of garden hose lying around. its not the same but along similar thoughts. the hose was placed 2 feet up from point of siphon and 10 ft out. I was only able to get flow about 2inches above point of siphon and it was slow. but it was a continuous flow. thawt it was interesting enough to post.