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Overunity Machines Forum



Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

Started by shimondoodkin, July 24, 2009, 11:33:44 PM

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sigma16

Quote from: CRANKYpants on October 26, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
WRONG
YOU CANNOT USE ONE MAGNETIC FIELD TO CANCEL OUT ANOTHER! THIS IS TRANSFORMER 101 AS WELL. IF THIS WERE SO EVEN A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER WOULD NOT WORK BECAUSE BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FLUXES ARE MOVING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS INSIDE THE PRIMARY CORE.

RED FLAG: A FORUM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS ABILITY TO PROVIDE CORRECT INFORMATION TO THE READERS AND TO "SELF CORRECT" ITSELF WHEN A MISTAKE IS PRESENTED. SINCE NO ONE PICKED UP ON THIS AND CORRECTED IT - EVERYTHING ELSE THAT FOLLOWS IS ALSO IN ERROR.

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WRONG A VOLT METER READS NET FLUX VARIATIONS / TIME. A VOLTMETER IN THIS SCENARIO CAN ONLY READ FLUX FLOWING IN ONE DIRECTION. IF TWO IDENTICAL FLUX MAGNITUDES ARE FLOWING THROUGH A SENSOR COIL ON ONE CORE SECTION THE VOLTAGE WOULD BE 0 VOLTS EVEN THOUGH NET FLUX INSIDE THE COIL WOULD BE AT MAXIMUM. 

RED FLAG: KNOWING HOW A VOLTMETER WORKS AND HOW TO READ A VOLTMETER IS ELECTRICITY 101. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS SHOULD LEARN.
 

Am I misreading these statements?  It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

1. If the magnetic flux vectors oppose, they cancel.  In a transformer, they all go the same direction.  This is also why the polarity of the secondary is reversed compared to the primary.   If AC is flowing through the primary then all of the magnetic flux vectors reverse and the this reversal is evident in the secondary.

2. A volt meter reads electrical potential difference.  If a changing magnetic field induces EMF in a conductor, then the volt meter can indicate the potential difference.  This is not necessarily a true indication of the flux variation.  Again, opposing flux magnetic vectors must cancel, then there is no magnetic flux.  The energy may covnert to some other form but it will no longer be a magnetic field. (Actually there really is no energy in a magnetic field, per se, since it is just a state of aether polarization.)

SchubertReijiMaigo

@ sigma16: You are wrong: If your theory is exact that's mean conventional trafos can't work too... With load or not the flux remain the same (minus hysteresis loss and Eddy currents), even with the Lenz law. Lenz law is here to keep the same flux around the core no matter if the transformer is loaded or not !!! To keep this flux Conventional Trafos draw more current in response to the load current.
Look the GIF that I have made, with your theory at no load all flux close the loop, but when you put a load with the same Ampers/turns all the flux run out of the space: Conclusion BEMF opposing the initial flux but not directly. BEMF is more like a "Resistance", a "counter force". So in the BTT a magnetic field tend to follow the easier path, the easier path is the two secondaries... But to accomplish this, they are many crucial parameters to tune:
Here I propose a protocole to experiment and Confirm/Infirm the Heins Effect:

1) Magnetic reluctance must be substantialy different between Core1 and 2.
    A safety ratio of 10 times the core1 surface size is recomended.
2) So, extremly linear magnetic permeability is required, this done by a
    very small air gap both core1 and 2 or use linear magnetics materials like
    Nanoperms. (see Pg 11 and the blue BH curves and permeability
    (u=30000)).
3) Avoid saturation of the primary like a conventional Trafo.(Use formula
    for this like Boucherot formula). Saturation draw more current and heat
    the wires.
4) Wind the same turns on the secondaries they must produce exctly the
    same EMF and BEMF to maintain the overall equilibrium... (same voltage   
    in the coils).
5) The windings must be perfect why (like comercial trafos) ? Because to 
    induce the maximum flux per turns, the spire and the core must be
    disposed at 90°, if no you lose in effeciency and you must wind more
    turns or draw more current...
6) Plug the secondaries together with the same load, the current must be
    equal to produce once again the same BEMF. (same current in the coils).
7) In theory like a conventional Trafo: If I induce 1 tesla in the Core1 the 
    flux is devided by 2 on each secondaries (remenber EI cores), so the
    BEMF in exchange is divided by two also !!! (The voltage for a 1/1 ratio
    is divided by two also, plug in series to retrieve your original voltage...)
8° Once again if the Heins effect is right the BEMF tend to coupling each
    others, not with the primary.
9) If your flux is asymetric or if you disconnect a load the other secondary
    tend to droop his voltage (no EMF of the unpluged secondary) or draw   
    more current like a conventional Trafo from the primary ( because this is
    much easier to couple with the primary than the unpluged secondary...).
10) Test the presence of flux in the outer core for validating/rejecting this 
    theory (you can this by winding a few turns in the core2 and plug an 
    oscilloscope). If you see nothing the flux cancells each others if you see
    an EMF try with no load and full load state note the difference in the
    amplitude...).
11) Power measurment proof: beware of the frequency, power factor
    (U*I*CosPhi=P) I think you learn nothing here.
12) Ultimate incontestable proof: self looping (If this device can produce 
     over 7000% OU, the looping is made the finger in the nose !!!
    You can reclam your nobel now and have your statue like some masters
    Newton, Einstein, Edison, Faradays, etc.
13) I can finally stop to burning money in energy bills:
     Thank you very much !!!

ramset

Fellas
I know we have strong feelings here!

Can we at least let the Boss finish??

Please??

these things can be discussed at Poynts place!

here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6088;topicseen#msg6088

Grumpy [sigma]has the same post over there!

At least until Thane has finished,I'm sure its a lot of work!!

Chet
PS
Schubert!
for a pianist you sure can talk the talk!![a compliment]
Yes Grumpy I know the other part [walking]

Grumpy  ,Can you let CRANKY finish??
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

sigma16

Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on October 26, 2010, 12:52:47 PM
@ sigma16: You are wrong:

perhaps you misunderstood: (see attached image)

If opposing magnetic fields did not cancel, there would not be paramagentic material:

QuoteIn a paramagnetic material there are unpaired electrons, i.e. atomic or molecular orbitals with exactly one electron in them. While paired electrons are required by the Pauli exclusion principle to have their intrinsic ('spin') magnetic moments pointing in opposite directions, causing their magnetic fields to cancel out, an unpaired electron is free to align its magnetic moment in any direction. When an external magnetic field is applied, these magnetic moments will tend to align themselves in the same direction as the applied field, thus reinforcing it.

sigma16

Quote from: ramset on October 26, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
Fellas
I know we have strong feelings here!

Can we at least let the Boss finish??

Please??

these things can be discussed at Poynts place!

here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6088;topicseen#msg6088

Grumpy [sigma]has the same post over there!

At least until Thane has finished,I'm sure its a lot of work!!

Chet
PS
Schubert!
for a pianist you sure can talk the talk!![a compliment]
Yes Grumpy I know the other part [walking]

Grumpy  ,Can you let CRANKY finish??

What more can he say?