Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts

[Yucca]

  Still rolling around laughing 

I look at these as an investment and if i ever needed to i guess i could resale them when i am done.

I like the idea of your cap bank, we may need something like this to find the value of the 2 mystery components in parallel, as well as tuning the primary and secondary coils.
What i am not yet sure is if he tuned 1 half of the secondary to the primary or the whole secondary, just seems strange he has the cap across one half in the device i am trying to build, i will try to do more ball park calcs today to see if it throws up some figures to work this out.

Are you in a position to move your primary coil realative to the secondary.

It's interesting the earth is making a difference.

keep up the good work, it sure is interesting.

Peter

peter, yes buy those caps, If I still lived in UK I would! as you say always handy for other experiments.

I've been thinking about primary secondary tuning too. I first thought that a full bridge between L and C would kill resonance and just make a fully damped sink. But from experimentation I realise that the L does still see the C but it seems dynamic, that is to say the circuit shows resonance that is related to the charge on the output C, Secondary oscillation appears to increase as the output cap reaches peak voltage. With smiths massive output caps they are always hungry until full and  so maybe we can consider the secondary as a pure sink? So maybe only the primary needs tuning to a freq that is related to some oscillation occuring elsewhere, maybe it a high harmonic of schumann resonance, I dont know?

I have seen one weird thing about the circuit Im running, it appears more efficient when I ground the positive side of the bridge, its totally against what I presumed, I thought grounding the -ve side of the bridge would be best but no, a clear increase in performance when I ground the +v side of the bridge and output cap, weird!

Ive got a long way to go in understanding this circuit, I'm used to digital stuff and you know where you stand with that, 1 or 0. This thing seems alive with uncharted depths, it will be good to have other experimenters collecting more empirical data.

[Peterae]

Hi Yucca
I have a lot to learn and struggle with Resonant circuits and ac theory, i was originally trained in microelectronics, so give me logic any day  also.

Not sure what country you are in but there was quiet a few HV caps for sale on ebay so probably quiet common across the world.

I never got a reply from Florida about the primary caps, i guess they are a big defense contractor and dont bother with the likes of little old me 

Still i have a bag of large 1uF 1600v caps so will go for 5 in series to get the 0.2uf value.

Yesterday when i plugged some guesstimates into the secondary half winding of 20 turns with a 0.5uf it came out about 47khz, but the primary comes out much higher.

I was going to try tuning the primary and secondary using lower value caps and use my dip meter to get them resonant near the same freq then switch to the proper cap values, but now i dont think the primary freq is the same as the secondary.
Once i have the coil built i can get some hands on uH values and work from there i guess.

It is interesting that you say the resonant freq changes depending on the charge of the final cap, that would mean it would take a while to get up to a working condition, bit like the tpu winding up if it relied on a certain freq, but if any old final freq would do then it would have gain all the time during power up.

I wonder if the 2 unknown components then allow the coil with the cap to see part of the main cap bank also to make the tuning dynamic on that winding also.

Has anyone ever witnessed these devices being powered up?

Peter

[xenomorphlabs]

Very nice what you guys are doing. This is finally going beyond theoretic discussion )
I am also no nuclear scientist, so my assumptions/statements can be wrong.
I have a hard time finding the words to describe exactly what i mean, i`ll try.
Yucca you say that your L "sees" the c on the secondary side.
I am not sure about how you actually wired everything. You have a schematic of your particular set-up now?
The secondary circuit will let`s call it "passively" follow the alternating currents happening due to the oscillation on the primary side and thereby also charge up the cap in one direction of the diode bridge.
Now the big question is if that is an actual "active" oscillation excited by the magnetic coupling to the primary.
The resonant circuit is not exciting itself because the diodes prevent a  "backswing" from the cap, just a new excitation from the primary will push it again.

Will a diode across the secondary in your circuit kill an "active" oscillation (that could go into resonance) by not allowing the bi-directional current flow to and from the cap ?
And does it matter at all to have the device function as intended ?

In Smith`s schematic, there is only an oscillation between half of the secondary and the cap aross that half. That seems to pump the big cap bank to a positive potential in a pulsed/sinusoidal DC-manner.

We must find a way to simulate this in spice or similar 
The longer i look at the circuit the more exotic ideas i get about it lol.
If only half of a coil is in resonance, what happens in the other half ?

Also keeping in mind what Smith talked about the separation of the electromagnet (coil) into 2 parts according to his personal definition.
One "magnetic" and one "electric". Now it seems that he only puts the "magnetic" part (with the greater amperage) in resonance and NOT the "electric" part (with the greater voltage) separated by the center tap.
I always wondered why his devices are called "magnetic resonant"

[Peterae]

Hi xeno

I think we are all guilty of making assumptions/statements, it's the only way forward when we have a device we don't understand and have a series of clues to tag together.

We all see a device slightly different, this can be a good thing as it may mean one of us gets close.

I myself am not good at the theory side of things, but i love building, so the best i can do is try tests and document in the hope someone brighter than me can come to a conclusion.

Something interesting i have noticed with the clear picture you gave us, the coil is new, the bottom chipboard is new, Don made a cover up SM style, and may have wrecked the coil and bottom board in the process.

One thing you learn with spray paint is that you never try painting a component with a spray can when there is stuff nearby, because it dont matter how carefull you are the fine spray particles go everwhere.

now you know the 2 mystery components, well they are battleship grey, now if you look around at different things like the terminal strip you see signs of this battleship grey everywhere, apart from the coil, smaller caps and bottom board, so he originally was trying to cover up their identity.

It maybe a mind game, when we are trying to replicate something and we cant identify a component we are much more likely to not succeed because we immediately blame the component we cannot identify.

I am going to guess they are just high value resistors, and their purpose is to bleed the caps when off, as you wouldnt want 2500 left on them for any time incase someone decided to touch the device a day later and got fried.
they may also give a small dc bias for some reason as well.

Guess B
There appears a sign of some black showing through in 2 places and if so logic might point towards 2 more diodes.

Peter

[stprue]

@yucca

Any new news on your set up.  I think it's great!  I have recently read The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity and am now hooked on radiant energy collection.