Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts

[xenomorphlabs]

Spark arresters can be found in master telephone sockets, here in the uk they are rated between 200 and 260v i think.

Peterae,
thanks for the info.
Hmmm, 260 volt . That creates more questions concerning the device.
If the gap fires at 260 Volt then there is only such a low voltage in the circuit, which would surprise me.

I might have found an explanation for Smith`s usage of DC caps at least in the table device while making a schematic for it and the DC caps
get only charged with sinusoidal DC onto the positive plate.
I am not sure what happens when the gap fires, but maybe the cap alternates only between the maximal positive charge and the ground potential, which means never a truly negative potential which could destroy it.
What do you think?

EDIT: In the graph i used 12 Volts max for easier simulation

[Yucca]

I might have found an explanation for Smith`s usage of DC caps at least in the table device while making a schematic for it and the DC caps
get only charged with sinusoidal DC onto the positive plate.
I am not sure what happens when the gap fires, but maybe the cap alternates only between the maximal positive charge and the ground potential, which means never a truly negative potential which could destroy it.
What do you think?

Hi xeno,

Is your simulation based on any of smiths schematics or did you put the diodes in to force this behaviour, either way interesting stuff.

I've thought of that too, thinking that the oscilation will be a haversine function i.e a sin wave whose bottom rests on 0V. But it would not be the case in normal gap and LC becasue the inductor when energised is like elastic, when you let it go it will rebound and want to go back under 0V, a polarised cap wouldn't stop that and the oscillation would be damped sin about 0V centre just like a normal cap.

If the electrolytic cap cans are coated then they do not degrade in capacity with reverse charge, but he didn't specify this.

Another interesting thing about electrolytics is that when they are manufactured they are not polarised, only after using them in one polarity for some time do they start to show asymetry in the plate chemistry. So maybe if you run them at avg. zero, i.e. proper AC then they might not become polarised?

[xenomorphlabs]

I've thought of that too, thinking that the oscilation will be a haversine function i.e a sin wave whose bottom rests on 0V. But it would not be the case becasue the inductor when energised is like elastic, when you let it go it will rebound and want to go back under 0V, a polarised cap wouldn't stop that and the oscillation would be damped sin about 0V centre just like a normal cap.

If the electrolytic cap cans are coated then they do not degrade in capacity with reverse charge, but he didn't specify this.

Another interesting thing about electrolytics is that when they are manufactured they are not polarised, only after using them in one polarity for some time do they start to show asymetry in the plate chemistry.

Thanks for giving it a thought. It is really hard that self-oscillating LC circuits cant be simulated so easily in Spice.
Only with a lot of start condition tweaking and then the earth ground potential is also not considered as a 2nd potential.

You are probably right the inductor alteration would drop the potential below zero and create a negative voltage.
I have searched online for high voltage lightning arresters but they are huge.
The one that Don Smith used is tiny and they most commonly really have a gap voltage of 200-400 V (like Peterae already said).
Does that indicate that the primary circuit does not reach a higher voltage than that?
Why the huge high voltage caps and 80kv breakdown HV cables then on the secondary when with a 1:10 winding ratio that would yield maximally 2000-4000 Volt then?
I think the scenario as i see it right now must be eroneous, otherwise the whole device couldn´t work as it is supposed to.

[Yucca]

Why the huge high voltage caps and 80kv breakdown HV cables then on the secondary when with a 1:10 winding ratio that would yield maximally 4000 Volt then?

The only reason I can think is that when the devices are showing OU behaviour then normal transformer action is exceeded greatly, the secondary swings at much higher amplitude due to external source excitation so the real voltage ratio is much higher than normal transformer theory dictates.

Of course this is speculation, do the devices work? we don't know, and what is frustrating is that we may never know.

[flathunter]

Wow!

This thread is moving fast tonight!

@Yucca - Beautiful set-up you got there.  Great photos.  Its the only way I can work....circuit diagrams often confuse me, but a photo is much clearer, especially if i have both a photo and a circuit diagram.  And you've given me both - cheers! 

@All - The level of scientific technical info is starting to go way above my head.  But I still understand the main ideas (kind of) and why you are all confused with Dons set-up.  The voltages just dont seem to add up from what i can see.  Anyway, lets not let it disappoint us.  Someone on overunity.com had a great quote on their avatar which i really liked

''the crowd that said something is impossible, never tried''

At the least we'll try eh?  Keep on going with all your tests - I'm feeling optimistic   

Its gonna take me a few weeks to get some HV diodes, caps and resistors (and 13005 trannies) - so for the meantime, i'm gonna try messing with my tesla coil and receivers, and try and get as many CFLs alight as physically possible - yeah, i know it wont prove OU, but its gonna be damn fun!  Theres a shop 2 mins away with cheap CFLs......and I wanna build a few air coils and try them out as receivers - see if they work better than my PVC receiver coils.  I just love the look of Yuccas coil!  I've got no little baby in the flat till friday.....plenty of time for Tesla silliness!  I figure if i try just about everything i can think of, i'm bound to find some exotic behaviour eventually...even if i dont understand it!