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Started by Grumpy, August 10, 2009, 09:48:27 AM

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Grumpy

photon emission is correct, even if diplomatic, else you could not see it

How the photons manifest in the spark gap as a visible spark is my question to you.

My answer that the spark manifests from each side is "subjective" as this depends on several things.  Joseph Henry performed an experiement with three gaps and watched the arc with a rotating mirror - the middle gap always arced after the two outer gaps.  When I was working with triggered sparc gaps, I found you can place the trigger between the gap electrodes in a position where the arc will visibly jump from both electrodes.  This is not always the case as the arc can very visibly jump from on side or the other depending on parameters.  Also, just because you do not see a visible arc, does not imply that nothing occured.  Do not let our eyes fool us.

An arc to isolated conductor from a conductor in a continuously interupted induction coil circuit or similar does not make a visible mark on aluminum, but you can definitely see the arc.

I think that impact marks require "Electrons", supposedly they are dragged by the initial traveling displacement current wave, at the  speed of light.  This would make for a a traveling electric field, which will have a traveling magnetic field - all moving at the speed of light. 

Yes, that initial wave with dragged electrons is very powerful for an instant and then you have to create another traveling wave.  Which is exactly what you have to do, but you have to have all the parameters in the correct range for it to work.   Braking radiation has certain requirements and so does everything else.

Like I said before, you have to create the shockwave event and then you have to figure out how to utilize it.

Chef, how does one utilize the shockwave?

It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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dankie

The TPU is a waste of time .

I laugh @ all the TPU poser groupies .

ALL THESE BLA BLA RESEARCHERS MAKE ME SICK !! THEY CANT WORK , THEY BLA BLA UNTILL YOU DO THE WORK FOR THEM

Geet +hho >>>>> all the rest , see the proof @ ionizationx

Grumpy

Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Photon isn't just a basic unit of light, it basic unit of the whole electromagnetic spectrum, and of course we couldn't observe the full spectrum, so we see only visible spark, when the emitting atom's radiate in visible spectrum. In this case, those atom's are from the airgap.

I know that a photon is the force carrier of electromagnetic fields.  Why are they present, in the visible spectrum, in the spark gap?  Is it actually a "full specrum"?   If it is, then it is all the more interesting.

Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
One side of the spark has a pressure density, I don't think so they are electrons, but that's not important in our case. If one side have directed pressure, which can disintegrate the foil, what could have/do the other side? Especially, when the spark induced in a wire/coil by magnetic coupling, where there is no source connected to the secondary.

Compression on one side, rarefaction on the other, but depending on the circuit and the location of the gap, you may actually have high pressure on the first side, medium pressure on the other side of the gap, and low pressure at the other end of the circuit.  If your gap is not in the middle of the coil, then what I just stated is probably what you will have.  So applying 10kv at the gap, you may have 8kv on the other side.

Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
I don't clearly know which shock wave you are referring. On which plane correlate to the travel of the current?
The shock wave that moves perpendicular to the conductor after the switch is opened.

Whatever it is composed of, it appears to me to be some sort of traveling wave in space.  I believe it is dipolar rather than monopolar like electrons.  I do not believe it is particulate, but i may only appear to travel through metal plates.  I can not verify that what hit the plate was the exact same as what comes out the other side.  I say "dipolar" because it is not deflected by electric fields yet has a magnetic moment.  I suspect it may follow magnetic lines, but I am not sure.  I does appear to couple to magnetic fields.  Can the current induced be increased this way? 

A moving "charge", dipole or monopole or multipole, has an associated magnetic field even if the charge is virtual , and as we all the know, the shock wave is inductive.


It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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Grumpy

To get "back to basics" we should clear up a few things first.

The event occurs during the rise of the pulse - not when the pulse is interupted - at the "make" of the switch, not the "break".

A positive pulse is "rarefactive" (it expands).

A negative pulse is "compressive".

How do pulses effect the permeability and permittivity of space?

If you have studied solar flares and magnetic storms, then you know that temperature, humidity, rain, and wind can cause large changes in the permeability of "space".  Tesla measured these changes during thunder storms with his magnetometers.

Increased permittivity results in increased capacitance.

Increased permeablity results in increased increased magnetism.

See where this is going?  Change the medium and it does the rest.

If I can change permeability, I can increase magnetism.  Even if only for an instant.

When the radiant shock wave expands through a static magnetic field, what happens?
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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wattsup

This will give you a better idea on how your spark happens. Same thing anyways.......
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-lightning-flash,0,4105155.flash

@dankie

Well, I just saw your post on that other thread. Big man. Just take your GEET+HHO tube and stick it up where the sun don't shine, then set the dial to full production, wait a few minutes, open your mouth and light a match. That's about all the use you have here. You are totally sick in the head man. Get your brain checked, but you might need a specialist in micro particles to do that.