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New invention of motion less generation of electric power

Started by powercat, August 26, 2009, 08:52:05 AM

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winsonali

GOTOLUC:

VERY GOOD VIDEOS

Mile high is right the effects are canceling each other in first clip so you are not getting any magnetric feild.

the next video you are making just insert metal  in side the core so that it is not coming out of copper wire you will get high voltage very good current and at the same time the shielding effect will prevent lenz force  a lot.

i have done this test recently but i was using 2 dics and 5 magnets on each side and then the coil in between
i was getting 56 volts and i used simple roof hanging fan motor and i was continuously switching t on and off there was not at all any effect on the speed with or without load  there is a key in my setup i have shield the south pole in north pole and even you move the disc by hand they keep on moving like a flywheel and produce output till it stops and never exerted any braking force  i am posting the pictures it might help you. I didn't continue this setup as i was working on Motionless electric generator so i keep this project for my next task to built a self running fan which can provide air as well as light a energy saver for free. this product is best for villages where there is no electricity at all




FatChance!!!

Quote from: gotoluc on December 13, 2009, 11:27:33 PM
Hi MileHigh,

I thought this could be the case.
First I connected one coil to a 1 Ohm load and 60uf motor cap and approached the coil to pickup the best voltage on the load which was 1.30vac. I then added the coil to get no Lenz effect and retested using the same load and got it to 1.20vac with the coil at about the same position. I'm doing this by hand so at this time I don't have accurate results but it looks very promising to me.

There's nothing remarkable by this.
The reason for the coils not completely canceling each other is due to them not having the same flux cutting through the wires.
One coil is further away from the magnet and isn't getting less current induced than the closest one.
You might have found some anomaly here, but I'd bet the reason is more likely you missing out on some important issue
regarding coils and magnetic induction "know how". The lesser Lenz is interesting though.....
I wish you the best and will continue to read this thread with great interest.

aaron5120

Quote from: winsonali on December 13, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
gotoluc

the ferrite core works on the principles as per faraday laws
v = N d B/dt
means voltage is directly proportional to rate of change of flux 42 KHz means in other words/ mechanical analogy
a generator working on 2520000 RPM

now in this case the benefit is you need less number of turns , higher current, less spikes low value of capacitor to provide dc conversion notch filing gaps of wave form. The ferrite core can lose its value of B very quickly or its BH curve is very steep and vertical. so you cannot get the fly wheel effect
for example mechanical analogy
if you use a 250 gram wheel on a motor top you will get low momentum but if you use 2 kg wheel you will get high momentum and that will store more kinetic energy then light weight one.
some times it is desired to use light weight wheel and some times it is required to use heavy weight wheel it depends on requirement.

now 99% percent books will say that the CRGO( cold roll grain oriented ) core is not siutable for high frequency such as 20KHz they are siutable for 50 hz to 100 hz or some times 400HZ thats all

here this is misunderstanding and this is the biggest advantage when they refer 50 to 400 hZ means core cannot return to neutral position faster then this frequency so any attempt to get it back or reversing the polarity faster then the prescribed values will heat the core and do nothing but loses.

Now understand what we are doing we switch the magnetic field in one direction and then with in mill seconds turn it off, the flux retains there the output will get the same effect but you have turned off your supply now before the core starts going back you pushed it again so you are getting the fly wheel effect but the out put is same and with each and every switching you will get BEMF going into battery again.

in ferrite core you do switch the frequency in reverse direction every time or if you have single direction switching you tend to reverse the magnetic flux to min during off period so you didn't get any advantage.
SMPS were designed to reduce the size of supply and they are complex circuits and serving there purpose very well otherwise you can imagine a computer power supply can be bigger then the computer itself. due to high current requirement.

the above technique will increase the time of your inverter twice and very use full for solar panel or windmills.
if you need one unit i can send you the normal weight of a UPS for a 1000VA is 12KG.

the technique of BEMF collection involve smart switching and turns off the main supply during BEMF collection.
Winsonali,
I understand perfectly your analogy about the advantage of using the B-H characteristics of the cores for your own benefit in power switching systems. The area within the B-H curve is the hyterisis loss for signal processing, and in audio aplification, the more symmetric, and the more narrow the area, the better for reducing THD and distrotion losses. But in our case, we are dealing with power generation and convertion, so now the area of the hyterisis and its horizontality is advantagous for Winsonali.
When we are switching power over 20KHz, choosing expensive audio amp. transformer cores for Ali's design is not a good option, due to the core's B-H  characteristics. The conventional Silicon Steel laminates will do, because of the B-H hyterisis area and its curve inclination.
The J. Flynn parallel path principal I think, if choosing the right core material, and the right switching frequency, and using BEMP recovery technics, would be a nice conventional generator, though it is not a No Lenz one.

aaron5120

Quote from: winsonali on December 14, 2009, 02:26:51 AM
GOTOLUC:

VERY GOOD VIDEOS

Mile high is right the effects are canceling each other in first clip so you are not getting any magnetric feild.

the next video you are making just insert metal  in side the core so that it is not coming out of copper wire you will get high voltage very good current and at the same time the shielding effect will prevent lenz force  a lot.

i have done this test recently but i was using 2 dics and 5 magnets on each side and then the coil in between
i was getting 56 volts and i used simple roof hanging fan motor and i was continuously switching t on and off there was not at all any effect on the speed with or without load  there is a key in my setup i have shield the south pole in north pole and even you move the disc by hand they keep on moving like a flywheel and produce output till it stops and never exerted any braking force  i am posting the pictures it might help you. I didn't continue this setup as i was working on Motionless electric generator so i keep this project for my next task to built a self running fan which can provide air as well as light a energy saver for free. this product is best for villages where there is no electricity at all
I think shielding one of the poles of the magnet will probably reduce the flux density lines by half. The magnets seems to be of Audio speakers origin. And they are shielded by MuMetal covers.
Some hard numbers must be gethered to figure out whether this configuration will be efficient for power genration. Maybe in the case of a conventional generator setup, a weakened Lenz response will also reduce the output of the generator, despite there is no visible drag for the rotor.

winsonali

aaron:

the magnetic shield is not the conventional one ,i have greatly increased the magnetic lines by covering south pole inside the north pole.