Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[mscoffman]

@plengo

Now that you have apparent overunity electrical energy showing up, don't you think it's
time to actually measure excess energy production? This only needs to be approximate
since it should (will) eventually exceed system battery capacity. While it's meaningless
as a technical proof of overunity, it will represent a unique internet first, as advertising
for beginners, and as confirmation for us more mature scientific types.

People are always saying; "We came to web site to find a free energy device to
construct, but all we find are a lot of nice non-provable posts, and we looked but
haven't found one yet that we trust". It would be very nice to be able to say;
"Look here...; and do it this way;"

:S:MarkSCoffman

[plengo]

@mscoffman

oh boy, easier said than done. I wish my device here is showing overunity. I think it is so far just showing a strange behavior that I have seen many time when testing Bedini machines. Batteries are a funny beast.

That being said, yes, I want to measure things in a way that we can really see how effective this thing is. I guess I will need lots of help on this area, since measuring to this level is never easy neither is my expertise although I am willing to learn.

So far what I am trying to do is find the "reason" why this strange phenomena is present and how can I isolate to its fundamental component and logic. I see so far two things in my experiments:

1) short, very ultra short pulses (short circuiting) the battery which will cause a high voltage spike even though it is on a one wire "coil" with no turns causing the BEMF to appear. That kind of makes sense when one look at the 100, 200 even 300 volt spikes being present at the moment the switch is OPENED, cutting the flow of current.  My last diagram shows just that experiment and it is working pretty well. Very slowly it is charging the battery but it is.

2) Switching the positive pole of the cap (my previous diagram) to the positive and negative of the battery B1 charging the cap to a higher voltage than it is available on the system.

Those two things are very easy to dismiss as two instances of almost the same thing. On the item 1 I have designed the switching in such a way that there is NO current flowing at any time although it might be some current flowing because of the nature of the transistor being used (although in this case probably in the nano-amps) but for pratical applications it seams to not affect the source of the energy, in this case the batteries. Neither seams to be visible in my scope. I do see during the pulse a momentarily current in the range of tenths of a mili-amp only at the pulse when the switch is OPENED which makes no sense to me.

I would think that would be some current flow during the "charging" period of the "one wire-no-turn coil" but I only see the discharge. I could be wrong. I hope to be able to really measure this and proof that one point. I think that it is what is happening because I can only make that happen when I have all switches OPENED and closing one of the switches and OPENING again and bum, there comes the pulse (while the remaining switches were all OPENED).

On point 2 I do see a current flowing from the battery B1 into the cap but that would not explain (at least for my limited knowledge) why the cap would charge to a higher voltage than the available on the system. It sounds like the item 1 but this time with some current, although here I also avoid the system to close loop.

I am very puzzled by this design. I need more ideas in how to isolate the fundamentals and create a simple test case for it.

Fausto.

[gyulasun]

Hi Fausto,

Thanks again.  Would you tell if your optos drive a power transistor and this latter does the actual switching? if yes what is their type?  sorry for not fully in your setup. maybe a drawing of one single switching stage with its opto drive (no need for the PIC) would clarify it for me, this way I might be better  evaluating your circuit.

Gyula

[plengo]

@gyulasun

no problem. Here they are. The LED1 goes to the output of the PIC and opto pin 2 goes to ground. Whenever you see a diode on my previous simplified picture I meant the transitor Collector-Emitor junction. So I have to always keep in mind where the collector should be connected to when I am connecting the batteries and so on.

The whole board is powered by a power source at 5v.

And for completion here it goes a sniped of the code that loops for ever:

Start:

bsf SW11              ; turn ON
bsf SW12              ; turn ON
bsf SW4                ; turn ON
bcf SW4                ; turn OFF
call delay100mS    ; delay for about 100 mili-seconds
bcf SW12              ; turn OFF
call delay500uS     ; delay for about 500 micro-seconds
bcf SW11              ; turn OFF
call delay100mS    ; delay for about 100 mili-seconds
bsf SW9                ; turn ON
call delay500uS     ; delay for about 500 micro-seconds 
bcf SW9                ; turn OFF

goto Start
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note: Transistor are the switches.
note2: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm

Fausto.

[mikestorm]

Hi All
i'm tring to replicate the tricoiler bedini based
i have written a post in this same area
can someone help me?

thanks to all