Bedini SSG - self sustaining

[plengo]

Guys thank you for asking for the schematics. Forgive me for not showing it yet simply because I was analyzing the real physical circuit to make sure I was doing what I was really doing. I also disassembled it and put it back just to see if there is no connection failures.

To my surprise nothing was wrong and somethings were not what I thought it would be. So, I decided to try my "monkey science" again and see if I could replicate it and voala! I can, and I can replicate it as many times as I want really, really easy. It is so easy that I am about to create a very simple circuit that will be replicatable by those who have the TS circuit (like you Groundloop).

It is indeed something very weird and I can make the battery voltage go UP ABOVE that starting voltage. I can let the battery sit and rest and try it and it will GO UP. There is a point though, that the voltage will STOP going up and start to go down to a certain still above resting voltage and stay there. Then I can do my "magic" again and the voltage will GO UP again and again and again. Actually I dont even have to wait for the voltage to go down and rest, I can keep doing as the voltage reaches the top tipping point and do my" magic" and get it to go UP again and again.

I have not found the limit yet, but I also dont have all the time in the world to wait for that, so, I am creating a new circuit that will do that for me kind of automatic.

Fausto.

[plengo]

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[plengo]

Ok. here it goes the explanation. Please bear with me on this one.

In 1) I show a regular SSG circuit with a driving battery B2 and a charging battery B1. Nothing special.

In 2) I show how I implemented the Switching mechanism. Notice the S1 is one switching that only connects the negative terminal of B1 to the negative rail of the system. S2 does the same for B2. S3 only connects the positive terminal of B1 to the diode D1 when it is turned on otherwise that connection (and ALL other connections follows the same rule) is opened. S4 connects positive of B1 to the positive rail of the system. S5 connects positive of B2 to D1, S6 connects positive of B2 to positive rail of system.

The switching goes like this at 50khz: S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6 all OFF. Than I turn on S3, S2 and S6 for sometime. Next I turn off S3, S2 and S6 and give some 5us time and turn ON S5, S4, S1. Wait sometime and start all over again with ALL switches off.

This goes on at infinitum until I die.

Now, here is the mystery. If you let this system run you will simply deplete all batteries. Nothing special. SO, I changed the circuit slowly until I reached stage 4) where B1 has been replaced with a capacitor C2 and disconnected SSG from all, except for D1 (I Know it does not make sence and who cares, I am craizy anyway).

Remember that in 4) the schematics is not showing the switches but they are there just like in circuit 2). I am still switching B2 with C1 in position if you study how the swtiches goes. It is the same as physically taking B2 and putting in place of C1 and vice-versa at the rate of 50khz.

BTW, 50khz is a number that I found by simply trying the hell of it with all sort of frequencies until I get the best results and the batteries are 7amp/h SLAs.

Now here is the cool stuff:  Once upon a time I shorted B2 when running circuit 4) by mistake and I noticed that the voltage on B2 dropped substantially but to only return back to where it was and all that while the system is running. Than the voltage started to increase really fast to ABOVE the voltage BEFORE the short. It went up for about 0.1v. The whole process took about a couple of hours.

I was so happy to see that that I started dreaming about the future of a better world already (dumb me ). What I later learned that the voltage raize only worked for sometime and later the battery restored its resting voltage to a lower value but still above the voltage before the shorting. What I did not realized at the time was that the shortting did the trick. That's why I could not understand why all of a sudden the system "stopped working"!

Today I (3 days later) I realized that the shorting and the pulsating the batteries IS THE SECRET.

Now I am running a more simplified circuit (just a little bit simpler) with that in mind and at every 15 or so minutes I go there and short B2 for only a microsecond and voala, the voltage ALWAYS goes DOWN and UP to ABOVE the before previous voltage. I have been doing that tonight for a little while and the voltage from 11.58v now is 11.6540 and still razing as long as I do that "shorting trick".

My next design will do that automatically.

Fausto.


ps: to me this is a kind of Tesla Switch but with only one battery behavior.
ps2: if i do not do the "shortting trick" the battery WILL NOT raize in voltage. So I guess the bleeding power from the opts is not really responsible for the voltage raize. I also tested that letting the system run for a whole day without the "shortting" and the voltage actually decreased.

[mscoffman]

Plengo;

Your experiment is going very well.

Question: At the top of the first schematic you have drawn a transformer,
Is that really a transformer or is that the coils of an SGS motor? Is
The Bedini motor running during the events you describe?

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I felt all along that shorting the battery was the key to this process.
I suspect what is happening is that the electrolyte in the battery
is showing “charge stratification". The shorting action causes
this to dissipate, and the charging process to continue.

The key of course is knowing, or being able to guess, the actual
long term state of charge voltage on the battery -> from
taking short term voltage readings. The other thing I found out
by reading the internet is that a load resistor across the battery
might help stabilize the voltage when taking voltage readings
with a high impedance DVM(1/8 watt, 1/4 watt...1/2 watt ect.)
This could be asserted easily via automation.

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Your tendency to do “Monkey Science” as you describe it, actually
a try-everything approach is kind of like the invention methods
of T. Edison. But you will also need to behave like a fisherman and
“reel in your catch” once in a while by formalizing things or you
could miss something of value.

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You should consider increasing the number of control ports on your
microcontroller. One way to do this is to simply glue the edge of
another vector board to your original, and rewire some additional
IC’s ports to the microcontroller. Be sure to add some of Groundloops
style relays and relay drivers.

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You should look forward slightly towards your ultimate goal of draining
excess charged energy from the battery using automation.
Stopping your circuit and keeping track of the voltage as it drops
through a known load (higher wattage) resistor while also keeping track of
the time that it takes to meet a low voltage goal. This can be recorded
as Energy in watt-seconds. Once you beat the total ampere hour
Capacity or your battery â€" you have it â€" proven overunity energy.
You can then restart your circuit and get some more, repeatedly.

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You can then optimize things futher to find out how much
you can get. Then look at running your automation with that.
A true perpetual motion machine - or close enough for me
anyhow.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[plengo]

@mscoffman

thanks for the comments. Yes the coils in the schematics 1) is the coil of the SSG. That was what I started with when I was testing Groundloop's TS circuit. Something that I am familiar so why not try a tesla switch approach and see how the PIC controller works.

Than I slowly progresses towards the schematics on 4) where the SSG is gone and only the caps and one battery (B2) is left in place with the switching still going but slightly changed (as already shown on the switching sequence of previous posts).

Last night as I was changing to a fifth design where I would "short" the battery automatically but my switch SW6 burned. I guess the transistor is gone. I have to buy a new one and install.

Concerning a more advanced design for the future, I am on it. Thanks to Groundloop original design, I am expanding on it and creating a 12 switches circuit where I can not only do more but also I will be using a different PIC processor that I can real-time control via the USB of the computer.

I know you guys know how to do that already but for me it has been very difficult trying to program and test. There is lots to learn. I somehow think that a different PIC more inline with USB and ready for MICROCHIP products such as "PicKit 2 Debugger express" is easier for me and others to get ready boards and downloaders and other things to try this out.

The voltage raizing right after the short is simply phenomenal and not even logical in my opnion. I am suspicious that bigger the battery better it will be the raizing. I can barely wait for the weekend to try many things out. So little time.

BTW, since my board is out of order since last night, I noticed that the voltage on my battery is resting at a much higher voltage than even the previous achievements. Very weird. Soon I will also do a load test to see if it is indeed a real charge or ghost charge.

Oh, another important thing is, if you dont have at least a 4 digits voltmeter it will be difficult to see this effect at first, but if you somehow do that many times with intervals lets say of one hour in between the "shortings" you might see 1/10 of a voltage increase in a 7amp/h battery.


Fausto.