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Understanding electricity in the TPU.

Started by wattsup, October 18, 2009, 12:28:42 PM

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forest

like dam on very fast river - pim pip pim pim pim pim pim water accumulate - fast frequency (exponential)
bah! dam opened - slow frequency
two frequencies but not the way you thought  :P
I do not need to build it - I see it clearly
you have to find circuit potential and get controller limit power to that level - rate of opening dam = output power

you see - IT'S a TIME MACHINE

bolt

Quote from: Loner on August 04, 2010, 01:02:23 AM
I have a Stupid Question, as I'm sure I won't get a clear answer.  Obviously, there IS a relation between RE (Radiant Energy) and RF (Radio Frequency, used as a description of propagating EM or Electromagnetic field...) but seeing that true electricity (NOT electron flow, please...) and gravity also are related, this is not saying much.   How they are related is what's critical.  So, to get to the nuts and bolts of real bench work, here's the stupid question....

If, and I repeat "IF", the small torrids of the TPU videos were "Mag Amps", used for "switching", would it also not be safe to assume that they were ALSO used as Inductance modifiers?  (For the rest of the "Tank".)

This would allow the "Tuning" of the "RF" component (Really meaning tank loop current) AND the "RE" component (Separate Tank Loop flow, I Know) with a single device, and hide a lot of the operational theory of the initial signal generation.  Doing two things at once, as it were.

Or am I totally off, and the torrids are just for the feedback transfer / signal generation?  (No need to say more, I assume...)

There seem to be proponents both ways, and with no proven test either way, what's a guy to think?  I am "Certain" that I saw no "Tuning" knobs or adjustments, so the units must have self tuned......  Am I Clear?   (No PLL's, Crystals, or Modern ckts were used, were they?)

(I'm still banging my coils with an FET (s), but have been thinking about sliding into the "Mag Amp" concept for switching, but the separate energy types operating within this type of setup is difficult to keep in my head.  I have very little idea of how to integrate the two in energy forms in one circuit, nevermind one device.  There aren't many reference papers out there relating RE to Mag-amps, other than old, unproven "Theory".  I don't actually know which type of energy is the "Real" major component, as yet.)

Wattsup, you have a good point!  (I think it's been stated before, but so what, you reminded me...)  If you could light ONE LED, in a self-sustaining circuit, then the battle has been won!   ANYBODY game?  Shall we make it a race?  I mean a real circuit, not theory, and not expensive...

If you want a single LED RE powered forever then use a joule thief or Dr Stifler TX but you need to understand exactly how to convert real watts to VARS then back to WATTS. Only 20+ years RF tech people need apply for this job and full lab facilities required. Despite hundred of replications most of them cant do more then about >COP 2 or 3 which is not enough to loop but will extend the batteries for a very long time.

I been saying this for years now the two little toroidal are mag amps. If you know how they work they control the current flow by changing the inductance. If you change the inductance you control the amps so now you have a voltage to amps converter.  They are taken place of a TRIODE or FET as they are pretty much immune to extremely high voltages and amps swirling around the coils. The TPU was made back in the late 80's early 90's before the vids were even produced. Back then power FETS were only just born which is why SM said use triode tubes first unless you want to keep blowing up FETS.

SM circuit is not going to be more then a tiny 741 comparator operating a bit like a poor mans PLL to keep the loop VARS within set parameters and a tiny oscillator to kick start the entire process. A pp3 9 volt battery is MORE then enough even a 1.5v watch battery will last years.

This will give the o/p some stability under various loads and stop the thing going ballistic. Over 100KVAR or 10KW device extreme danger of lightning strikes and local time compression with anti-gravity. Already the TPU shudders this is a warning sign of the effects.

Before the TROLLS say anything about this  go and read Sweet VTA and ask John Bedinni about it. Then ask Bob Boyce about lightning strikes using poly-phase rotating magnetic fields from large toroidal.

The collector coils will need around 10KVAR to produce 1000 watts o/p, An amp clamp meter will show around 10 amps and 1000 volts in reactive circulation. The watts o/p can be anything like 800 volts at 1.25 amps = 1000 watts.


sigma16

Quote from: bolt on August 04, 2010, 09:06:21 AM
If you want a single LED RE powered forever then use a joule thief or Dr Stifler TX but you need to understand exactly how to convert real watts to VARS then back to WATTS. Only 20+ years RF tech people need apply for this job and full lab facilities required. Despite hundred of replications most of them cant do more then about >COP 2 or 3 which is not enough to loop but will extend the batteries for a very long time.

I been saying this for years now the two little toroidal are mag amps. If you know how they work they control the current flow by changing the inductance. If you change the inductance you control the amps so now you have a voltage to amps converter.  They are taken place of a TRIODE or FET as they are pretty much immune to extremely high voltages and amps swirling around the coils. The TPU was made back in the late 80's early 90's before the vids were even produced. Back then power FETS were only just born which is why SM said use triode tubes first unless you want to keep blowing up FETS.

SM circuit is not going to be more then a tiny 741 comparator operating a bit like a poor mans PLL to keep the loop VARS within set parameters and a tiny oscillator to kick start the entire process. A pp3 9 volt battery is MORE then enough even a 1.5v watch battery will last years.

This will give the o/p some stability under various loads and stop the thing going ballistic. Over 100KVAR or 10KW device extreme danger of lightning strikes and local time compression with anti-gravity. Already the TPU shudders this is a warning sign of the effects.

Before the TROLLS say anything about this  go and read Sweet VTA and ask John Bedinni about it. Then ask Bob Boyce about lightning strikes using poly-phase rotating magnetic fields from large toroidal.

The collector coils will need around 10KVAR to produce 1000 watts o/p, An amp clamp meter will show around 10 amps and 1000 volts in reactive circulation. The watts o/p can be anything like 800 volts at 1.25 amps = 1000 watts.

Wrong again.

You can make great progress out in a few years with hard work even with little education and experience, if you are smarter than the average bear.  If you are a "drama queen", a "post-aholic primadonna", or jump from idea to idea every week, then you'll never get anywhere, as many here have proven.  :o

Yes.  Go and read all about the VTA and ask John Bedini about it too.  It won't help you.  If he knows so damn much about it all, then why does he still use batteries?  Hmm?  Read all of Bearden's books as well, but they will not help either.  Steven stated in the long UEC video that his devices made batteries obsolete and he would know.

There was a private group here a long time ago that worked on the Bob Boyce coil.  As far as I know, it never worked as claimed.  If lightning strikes, you are screwing up.  If the damn thing is covered with ice, then you are screwing up.  Much larger devices work with no lightning strikes, so you are wrong again.

The toroid things are not mag amps and are not required as you have been told over and over and over and over and over and over again.

sigma16

Quote from: Loner on August 04, 2010, 01:02:23 AM
I have a Stupid Question, as I'm sure I won't get a clear answer.  Obviously, there IS a relation between RE (Radiant Energy) and RF (Radio Frequency, used as a description of propagating EM or Electromagnetic field...) but seeing that true electricity (NOT electron flow, please...) and gravity also are related, this is not saying much.   How they are related is what's critical.  So, to get to the nuts and bolts of real bench work, here's the stupid question....

If, and I repeat "IF", the small torrids of the TPU videos were "Mag Amps", used for "switching", would it also not be safe to assume that they were ALSO used as Inductance modifiers?  (For the rest of the "Tank".)

This would allow the "Tuning" of the "RF" component (Really meaning tank loop current) AND the "RE" component (Separate Tank Loop flow, I Know) with a single device, and hide a lot of the operational theory of the initial signal generation.  Doing two things at once, as it were.

Or am I totally off, and the torrids are just for the feedback transfer / signal generation?  (No need to say more, I assume...)

There seem to be proponents both ways, and with no proven test either way, what's a guy to think?  I am "Certain" that I saw no "Tuning" knobs or adjustments, so the units must have self tuned......  Am I Clear?   (No PLL's, Crystals, or Modern ckts were used, were they?)

(I'm still banging my coils with an FET (s), but have been thinking about sliding into the "Mag Amp" concept for switching, but the separate energy types operating within this type of setup is difficult to keep in my head.  I have very little idea of how to integrate the two in energy forms in one circuit, nevermind one device.  There aren't many reference papers out there relating RE to Mag-amps, other than old, unproven "Theory".  I don't actually know which type of energy is the "Real" major component, as yet.)

Wattsup, you have a good point!  (I think it's been stated before, but so what, you reminded me...)  If you could light ONE LED, in a self-sustaining circuit, then the battle has been won!   ANYBODY game?  Shall we make it a race?  I mean a real circuit, not theory, and not expensive...

First of all, RE can mean many things.  If it means radiant energy then it is related to the radio frequencies that produce it.  If it means readiant electricity then it has nothing to do with RF.  When it is RF it is past the point where it could have been radiant electricity.  Rf can produce RE since all that is required is to excite the mass the right way, as sparks so elequently pointed out above.  Many ignore his posts, but agent sparks is cool with me.  :P  Self tuning but some pulse rates will work better than others, as everyone should know by now.

Bolt is correct that Stiffler's circuits will light LEDs indefinitely as far as I know.  They have beome quite popular, but I am still waiting to see some substantial power come from them.  I suspect his work is years ahead of what he actually shares.  He used to sell kits for experimentation, not sure if he still does, but if you want to light an LED, there you go.

A lot of people use FET's but no one ever puts several of them in series and uses higher voltage. 

bolt

Quote from: sigma16 on August 04, 2010, 09:56:22 AM
First of all, RE can mean many things.  If it means radiant energy then it is related to the radio frequencies that produce it.  If it means readiant electricity then it has nothing to do with RF.  When it is RF it is past the point where it could have been radiant electricity.  Rf can produce RE since all that is required is to excite the mass the right way, as sparks so elequently pointed out above.  Many ignore his posts, but agent sparks is cool with me.  :P  Self tuning but some pulse rates will work better than others, as everyone should know by now.

Bolt is correct that Stiffler's circuits will light LEDs indefinitely as far as I know.  They have beome quite popular, but I am still waiting to see some substantial power come from them.  I suspect his work is years ahead of what he actually shares.  He used to sell kits for experimentation, not sure if he still does, but if you want to light an LED, there you go.

A lot of people use FET's but no one ever puts several of them in series and uses higher voltage.

Radiant energy can be tapped from 1Hz to 100Ghz the method is exactly the same. The big Newman motor runs around 4Hz and is powered by radiant energy. In all these circuits you TREAT them as RF to match the VSWR or power factor no matter what frequency is used.

Stiffler oscillator is historic broadband RF oscillator that will self resonate somewhere up in the 100-500Mhz region. It doesn't matter where the frequency is NOT important. The o/p has a slashed VSWR so it generates longitudinal waves instead of hertzian waves.

The joule thief works exactly the same except this time the ferrite cores or rings whatever lower the frequency down the Khz.

A 3 phase motor in RV mode runs on Radiant energy at 50/60Hz

A large 3 phase transformer is an OU device where the desired conditions create
FERROMAGNETIC-RESONANCE.  1000's of joules can be acquired under these conditions which can cause transformers and grid parts to explode. A 1000KVA utility transformer can be sent shaking off its feet using nothing more then a party strobe light used as a coil banger.