New Magnetic Motor Principal?

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Gyula

I have not yet started any work on the electromagnet design. I have been mostly working on the all magnet version trying to find the optimal path to get the highest gain.
The best I have been able to get so far is about 2 to 1. That is , it requires 1/2 the work to position the magnets as the energy gained from the rotation.

This seems to be about the best condition that I can get so far in the simulator. I can see other ways that would seem to be better but for now 2 to 1.

I have all the machines to build a test device, but I need to try to get the best gain possible or at least understand the best method to do so.

Soon!

[FatChance!!!]

Interesting but you clearly overlook some very important parameters that stops this from working.

There is no existing electromagnet or any air coil capable of generating the strong field you
really need to overcome the forces from neodymium magnets in efficient overunity mode.
In a regular motor the coils/EM's doesn't have to push or pull neodymium's very hard.
This is handled by the sheer core alloy attraction between poles and the work to push
the rotormagnets from one pole to another is only determined by the cogging resistance.

Further more...the field from electromagnets is weak and not emitted strongly like neos.
This has to do with the molecular structure of the core alloy in regular room temperature.
The flux lines generated always take the shortest path and returns through the core instead
of leaving the surface. This is why electromagnets have very low flux levels on the surface.
If you were to supercool the electromagnet down to superconducting state this changes.
In superconducting state the flux cannot return through the core and it's emitted like a neo.
But on the other hand, supercooled electromagnets are very sensitive for alternating flux
and will jump out of superconducting state as soon as the rotormagnets move the flux lines.

Thirdly....The rotormagnet is heavily attracted to the EM core (if moved there by hand) and
the attraction will force the rotor being stuck in this position, right between the statormagnets.
If you somehow could repel the rotor magnet away from the core then you face the problem
of distance. As soon as you leave the EM core surface there is no flux lines to push the rotor
further away from the electromagnet and it will get stuck close beside the EM core.
Not to mention that both sides (N & S) of the rotormagnet is facing the electromagnet.
How will you pulse it? Any pulse will attract one side and repel the other. It won't move.

Last but not least....The rotormagnets will get stuck just after or before the statormagnets where
the highest level of attraction between magnets is obtained. And the EM has no influence on this.
You will be able to push the rotormagnet back and forth on each side of the statormagnet by sheer
hand force but there is no way the electromagnet can influence the rotor on that great distance.

Conclusion: There is simply to much air in this design to make it spinn.

Yes, You are exactly correct!

Thank you for being so understanding. 

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I'm not here to contest negative perceived ideas.... or maybe some negative comments are good!

There is no existing electromagnet or any air coil capable of generating the strong field you
really need to overcome the forces from neodymium magnets in efficient overunity mode.

Over unity mode? I need to study up on that...

Actually, it works best if the field from the coil is small and does not distort the main circular field generated by the large magnets. The unit does not produce the large power of a PM motor. The idea is that the power that it generates is greater than the input!

Think of this, If you place a neodymium magnet in a block of Styrofoam and float it in a plastic container of water, you would see it rotate very quickly to align to the earths field. (very weak field lots of air too)
In spite of the rapid rotation, the block will not try to move to either pole of the earth! This is because both fields of the magnet are in the same field. This causes one side to pull and the other side to push.

Now, if you connect a small stick out one side to work as a pivot arm, you will see that the earths field will now cause the magnet rotate about the pivot point because the torque is transferred to a rotational center.
This is what this motor is based on! If you produce a circular field that is actually way stronger than the earths field. One could build a rotor that will rotate to align itself with that field even if the field is an endless circular path.

So if you consider that 4,000 miles of air can still produce enough torque to rotate the magnet in the water very quickly, it seems that about 1/2 inch of air space would still apply about a thousands time more torque. (just guessing though)

I would think you may want to understand that the ONLY method to gain any energy form magnets, is down a path that does not cut lines of force. Because every line of force you break to do work is one more you need to go back through to get back to the start, and this requires work.

Use only the torque of a parallel field to do work! Unless you want to pay the price.

[casman1969]

Maybe this is meant for another thread and if so I appologize up front.
I've been working the all magnet concept for over two years with little to show for it except for a large number of Neo's and ceramics which make it into every conceivable configuration...
I have one obstacle, as do you, and it's the sticky point. So my question is this...
with two N facing magnets approcahing each other, is it not possible to wind a flat (or any shape for that matter) core shield and pulse it with the magnets resonant Freq. (or some other freq.) to, in effect, negate the repulsive action thereby allowing the magnets free flow past to the point of repulsion?
My question precedes my experiment.

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is it not possible to wind a flat (or any shape for that matter) core shield and pulse it with the magnets resonant Freq. (or some other freq.) to, in effect, negate the repulsive action thereby allowing the magnets free flow past to the point of repulsion?

Yes, this does work and has been done many times. The problem is it TAKES energy to neutralize the repelling field that you cannot get back.
This is because if you try to recover the energy of the coils collapsing field, the coil is now in a different field than what it was when it was energized and the return is now less!

If this field had not changed, then the return would of been almost identical.
But the principal does make a motor, just not a good one.