Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

[MeggerMan]

Hi Stefan,
Series, yes but you could do it in parallel too but with triple the current.
J is something to do with a phase angle in a pulse or AC circuit, I think, you need to work though the electromagntic tutorial, it was mentioned in there.
I am not sure how to work out the output power in an output coil using Femm, I wish I did, have a look and see if you can find it in the help.
You can work out from the size of the wire and turns, the space it will take up.
limb height / wire dia. = turns per layer.
total turns/turns per layer = layers
layers * wire dia. = depth

Hi Dutchy,
Yes, I know that when the output coil is loaded then the switch will be reluctant to switch, if at all.
I need to figure out if I can add an output coil in the simulation.
I am hoping the voltage in the output coil will be very high so that the current can remain low, as it is the current the will appose the switch.


I am also going to look at adjusting the steel around the magnets so that I only needed a +ve pulse only.
At the moment I need a -ve pulse to turn the switch fully off.

Regards

Rob

[hartiberlin]

Hi Jack,
many thanks for the additional infos !
You seem to be the BEST southern Ohio Red Neck !
Best regards, Stefan.

[Liberty]

Hello All,

Just a note.   When building this valve you must make sure that the area of the magnet jacket face is at least as large as the area of the magnet face.  Also the type of steel you use is very importent, miled steel has alot of carbon in it, carbon is very is a diomagnetic and just a little bit will cause alot of problems.  Use soft magnetic Iron or somekind of good magnetic material.

Also, the generator that I built is very easy on power. The motor used to operate it does not change rpm much at all when using no power from the generator or at full power.   I think it is because the permanent magnet is somewhat isolated from the output coil.   I think you will be surprised on how much the drawing power from the output coil will have little or no effect on input power.

Also, one way to make sure that you are using the correct input power is to put the magnet in a fixture, check how much pickup power it has, then put the magnet sleve(with out the magnet) into the same fixture, increase current/voltage just untill the sleave will pick up the same amount of weight.

Also make sure that you do not reverse the input power around the sleave with the magnet in it, you will end up with a dead magnet.

Also,  Always make sure that the field pices are at least twice as thick as the magnet face, if not you will never get the four times amplifaction from the valve.

I have been reading alot of messages from this message board. there are some that are trying to make this valve two simple, it must be made right to work.   The type of steel is very importent, The area of the face of the sleave is very importent.

Also, when building a solid state transformer, you must have a small air gap(paper) between the output coil core and the valve. Other wise the magnetic energy will just remain in the coil core and not switch back to the valve. Magnetic flux lines will always return to the least resistance path.

Just keep one thing in mind. this thing looks very simple, however it took me severial years to get it to work just right(may be because I'm a southern Ohio Red Neck) I don't know.

I hope you all sucess,,,,,,Later,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand

Jack,

Can you give out some numbers on your solid state alternator from your tests?  (Also if you have a generator/alternator running off of your motor)? 

1.  How much power does it take to run the coil (please tell us if this is average power consumption or just when the coil is on and what frequency you are pulsing the coil at), with what size magnet?  And then how much power (Volts X Amps) are you able to draw out of the output coil? 

2.  Will the solid state alternator self run by making a DC power supply out of the output coil, by using the power collection winding and hooking a bridge rectifier and a capacitor to create a DC supply, and then feeding the amount of power that is needed back to the magnetic valve coil to be pulsed for continued power generation?

3.  Can you run an alternator power output coil off of one of your motors that you have made and run the motor while generating power?

Thanks for whatever you feel comfortable sharing.

Liberty

[kadora]

HI ALL

PLEASE COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN ME
WHAT IT MEANS OR WHAT IS DIFFERENT
BETWEEN TWO JACKs SENTENCES ON
THE PAGE 37 ?

1
make sure that the area of the magnet
jacked face is at least as large as the
area of the magnet face
2
make sure that the FIELD PICES are
at least twice as thick as the magnet
face

what are field pices ?

I would like to understand perfectly to his
magnetic valve      thanks

[gyulasun]

HI ALL

PLEASE COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN ME
WHAT IT MEANS OR WHAT IS DIFFERENT
BETWEEN TWO JACKs SENTENCES ON
THE PAGE 37 ?

1
make sure that the area of the magnet
jacked face is at least as large as the
area of the magnet face
2
make sure that the FIELD PICES are
at least twice as thick as the magnet
face

what are field pices ?

I would like to understand perfectly to his
magnetic valve      thanks

Hi,

Let's see how I understand:

If you have a look at this picture at peswiki.com:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Hilden-Brand_electromagnetic_valve.gif   and consider the (empty) pink coloured cylinder, it has got a cross section of a ring, right? (this ring is shown with OD=2 inch and ID=1 inch.)
I think this ring's area is the magnet's jacket face. (and not jacked as you wrote)

The FIELD PIECES are the U shaped iron blocks as shown in the picture;  if you use iron blocks that are as wide as the OD of the cylinder, then the height is also the same as the OD, right? This means that the cross section of the iron blocks is a square with OD x OD size.

This is how I think Jack meant in his letter. If there is anything I misunderstood, Jack please correct me.

Regards
Gyula