Joule Thief 101

[EMJunkie]

Not related to resonance,but why dose a DC current through a coil produce a stable magnetic field,but a stable magnetic field around a coil will not produce a DC current?.
Why is there no equal and opposite effect here ?.
To make this clear,i know that a DC current flow(as well as AC current flow)) cannot exist without a magnetic field,but a stable magnetic field can exist without a flow of current-or can it?
How do we have this !!half! type action/reaction.

The biggest problem here,and by here i mean !world wide!,is that it seems most(if not all) have just settled for knowing what the magnetic field dose,and how we can use that magnetic field. It seems that no one is any longer interested in knowing -or trying to find out what the magnetic force is.
If we knew this,then we could then design devices based around that new found knowledge,and only then would we have machines that can be powered by PM's alone.

No one seems to even want to try and find out what the magnetic force is--but it is something,we know it is,as we can feel it.


Brad

Brad,

If I said here on this forum, that the Magnetic Field is not the field that is responsible for Electromagnetic Induction - All here would laught at me. Weather it was true or not true!

Electrons, the fundamental outer Atom attribute, are freed by a Force. This force can direct these "Free" Electrons in a specific direction that we can determine only via experimental observation!!! The term for this Freeing is called Electron Orbital Hopping

Many here will laugh at me now, hahaha "Orbital Hopping" what a bunch of BS - Well old fellows, jokes on you!

Once an Electron leaves its Orbital, it leaves a "Hole" this is called "Hole Theory", something that's called the Dirac Sea - by Paul Dirac - So many novices see this and fly off into oblivion, OOOoh Negative Energy, Its a trap...

We already have exactly the same fundamental concepts occuring in every single Electrical "Generator" that Humans have ever used to power their Computers and Lights!!!

However, this process is amazing none the less. Now comes the total blind side, we "Think" we know this much! What if it were the case that this was all wrong? 99.9999% of all the electrical Engineers out ther would have no idea what we are even talking about! 98.99999% of all physicists would have no idea how to even go about proving or diss-proving this. Most all of the current theory is from a very smart man sitting in his chair all day for many years with a pen and paper, mathmatically attempting to prove his theory...

Mathmatical Fudging is not new!



One last thing, what would be required to make Water flow Up hill?



   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[Magluvin]

Not related to resonance,but why dose a DC current through a coil produce a stable magnetic field,but a stable magnetic field around a coil will not produce a DC current?.
Why is there no equal and opposite effect here ?.
To make this clear,i know that a DC current flow(as well as AC current flow)) cannot exist without a magnetic field,but a stable magnetic field can exist without a flow of current-or can it?
How do we have this !!half! type action/reaction.

The biggest problem here,and by here i mean !world wide!,is that it seems most(if not all) have just settled for knowing what the magnetic field dose,and how we can use that magnetic field. It seems that no one is any longer interested in knowing -or trying to find out what the magnetic force is.
If we knew this,then we could then design devices based around that new found knowledge,and only then would we have machines that can be powered by PM's alone.

No one seems to even want to try and find out what the magnetic force is--but it is something,we know it is,as we can feel it.


Brad

Yeah, the dc coil thing seems like a cunundrum.  Was reading a book on electric motors by Irving Gotleib. May not have spelled that right. But one thing he said was with motors and gens, there are 3 requirements.  Electricity, AC and   or DC, magnetic fields, and the third is motion.  Missing any of the 3 and its not a motor or a gen. Could get into static electric field motors, and the mag fields are there, whether they play a magnetic push and pull could be the reason there is attraction and repulsion between HV charged leafs and other plates and things, like Lasersabers electric field motors, is something that may be a miss.

So  if we look at the field of a coil with dc on it, other than producing  the 'stationary' field, it is doing no work, unless say it were to be picking up things or clamping something to a wall, but thats totally something else. We are talking motor/gen action.  Also the reverse, if a magnet is stationary near a coil, and no motion, then no current. 
I know you know all this stuff, but it helps for readers that dont have that understanding. Ive thought the same things as you on that subject. Weird stuff when you try to think deep into it.

Mags

[TinselKoala]

It's no lie TK, still to this day, for the input to the output, the Circuit I gave you, is by far the best Neon Light Show you have done - That's no lie at all!

I even provide your channel link for others to see for themselves: https://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala/videos

Should we compare, around 3 times better that your magical: Extreme High Voltage: TinselKoil 8: Bipolar Slayer Success !

Let's talk about Miss-Interpret shall we, seems this is what you do best. The QEG is one example, your videos show a very poor maturity, for a person of the stature you try to proclaim, especially when you clearly do not understand what it is that you're talking about!

Then when given the opportunity to build with help, you turn it down? Scared of something TK?

In-fact, the very Electrical Energy you use in the expert work you self-proclaim, you have no idea at all how and where it comes from! This is the biggest joke, professionals that have no idea, at all, how and where the very thing they are professionals at, comes from...


I know that the word "Succeed" is not in your nature, its "give-up" and "explain away" at all costs!!! Nothing to see here, just "Swamp Gas", or another good one is "Weather Balloon", isn't it TK.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

You are again MISREPRESENTING my work. You apparently did not notice, or are deliberately ignoring, the actual points of my demonstrations, as usual.

1. You misrepresented the measurements on that circuit-- it is the circuit where you took current and voltage measurements on different branches and multiplied them together and claimed "overunity". For which you were soundly criticised and refuted many times over. You still haven't learned your lesson, clearly.

2. I lit up 30 neons in series-- wired together in series -- with that circuit. This indicates a voltage of around 2700 volts. I can light up a lot more neons than that --- WIRELESSLY-- should I care to do so. You are simply lying, and trying to aggrandize yourself, when you claim that that is my "best" . It's not even close. Lighting neons with high voltage is trivial, especially when they are _wired_ into a circuit. If 2700 volts can light up 30 neons, imagine how many could be lit up with 10,000 volts, or 30,000 volts, or the 300,000 volts that I've shown in some other demonstrations. Your claims that the 30 are the "best" I can do is just laughable. That circuit is rather feeble, and can't hold a candle to my hybrid SS-SGTC, for just one example. Furthermore, you yourself have NEVER demonstrated anything even close to that, because you are stuck in your non-functional fantasies.

3. The coils in my 30 neon demonstration are connected in _aiding_ configuration, not your "partnered" bucking configuration which produces nearly no output when the coils are actually matched. The whole demonstration is a solid REFUTATION of your silly claims.

4. Why should I want you to "help" me? You have done nothing but demonstrate how you can't even make proper measurements with your own equipment, and even in this thread you have demonstrated such ignorance that it's not even funny. You can't even help yourself!

5. LEAVE ME OUT of your fantasy delusions. You've been banned before for your insulting, non-helpful and non-cooperative posts, are you trying for that again? You've done nothing in this thread but try to hijack it with nonsense. At least MileHigh and Brad and PW and the others are having some kind of constructive discussion, even if the tone is a bit antagonistic. YOU, however, are contributing nothing but nonsense and diversion, and I see that you have once again descended into your insulting, vile and gross posting of meaningless insulting images. You need to be spanked, or sent to bed without supper, as appropriate for childish minds like yours.

[EMJunkie]

Also the reverse, if a magnet is stationary near a coil, and no motion, then no current. 

A truly golden and yet obvious observation. What does Motion introduce? Or a better way to ask the question, How does Motion change the situation where, now Electromagnetic Induction can occur?

The Consequences... Oh the Consequences...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[TinselKoala]

Yeah, the dc coil thing seems like a cunundrum.  Was reading a book on electric motors by Irving Gotleib. May not have spelled that right. But one thing he said was with motors and gens, there are 3 requirements.  Electricity, AC and   or DC, magnetic fields, and the third is motion.  Missing any of the 3 and its not a motor or a gen. Could get into static electric field motors, and the mag fields are there, whether they play a magnetic push and pull could be the reason there is attraction and repulsion between HV charged leafs and other plates and things, like Lasersabers electric field motors, is something that may be a miss.

So  if we look at the field of a coil with dc on it, other than producing  the 'stationary' field, it is doing no work, unless say it were to be picking up things or clamping something to a wall, but thats totally something else. We are talking motor/gen action.  Also the reverse, if a magnet is stationary near a coil, and no motion, then no current. 
I know you know all this stuff, but it helps for readers that dont have that understanding. Ive thought the same things as you on that subject. Weird stuff when you try to think deep into it.

Mags

Now you are getting it. In the DC case, the magnetic field is set up while the current is changing during the "switch on" time of the current. Once the current is flowing at a steady rate, it "costs" nothing more to maintain the magnetic field, and the field itself doesn't dissipate power. This is how superconducting magnets work. The situation is perfectly symmetrical. You get no current produced from a stationary magnet sitting next to a coil, because there is nothing changing. Move the magnet (or the coil), so that the coil experiences a changing magnetic field, and you get current.  Remember Faraday's Law of Induction (and pay no attention to the confused ravings of EMJunkie): The induced EMF is proportional to the _time rate of change_ of the linked magnetic field. You can take this algebraic equation and re-arrange it according to ordinary algebra, and see that the two situations are indeed symmetrical. The "conundrum" comes from mis-stating the problem or situation in the first place.