Joule Thief 101

[tinman]

MileHigh

Okay, MH, time for a little bit of repartee.

Really brilliant.  I will restate my opinion:  I don't believe that you have done all of the power measurements like you claim.  If you did that you would share your findings and you haven't.  You should not be helped until you actually demonstrate that you really tried to understand your setup by making all of the power measurements and calculations, and tried to account for any missing power and explain it.  You should do the full CEMF phase analysis and plot everything out on a timing diagram and try to understand the timing and the power trail for both setups before you come here with your hands held out looking for a hand-out.  There is no reason at all that you can't do that work yourself and document it.  Do your work first and then come here to discuss it

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You are a fool MH.
The very reason i asked Poynt the question about impedance,is because i have already used all that !I! know that would cause a change in impedance. I asked Poynt-what can change the impedance in an air core transformer,so as i could account for things that i may have missed.
But here you are!!you clown!! telling those who we learn from,not to teach--you idiot.

We all really do know how it will end up.  Instead of doing the work yourself and giving it your best shot, you are going to be coddled and your hand is going to be held and after you do everything you are told to do, you will prove that in your simple setup, once again that there is no magical work coming from magnets.  You will say, "Aw shucks" and move on, or you might even prematurely disappear without saying anything when you sense that once again that you have nothing.  This has been going on for years.

You really do talk out of the south end of a north bound camel MH.
There has been nothing but consistent dribble and harassment from you since i taught you all about resonant systems in ICEs,and proved you wrong. That is all this is about. You need to get over the fact that a bench experimenter toasted your ass,and move on.

You better damn well believe that I have the skill set to analyze your simple experiment.  This is an example of you shamelessly making a spectacle of yourself like clown.  You know that I have the skill set to do it, Poynt and PW know it, and everybody knows that you are lying.  It's embarrassing.

MH-you dont even know how a J/FET work's,and you just blasted away,saying that my idea of using a L/FET in a low voltage JT type circuit made no sense. Just another example where you made a mistake of something that is common knowledge -like resonant systems in and around ICEs.

My reference to impedance change is dead-on accurate.  You are just showing your limitations when you state that.

Lets see how you go with those questions i asked of you.

And you still do disagree that the impedance is changing.  The bloody power consumption is different between the two setups Einstein, and therefore by definition the impedance is changing.

Ah,so power consumption means a change in impedance?
Impedance-->the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance.

My belief is that if you had done the full power audit for both setups then you would have shared that information.  We know you and what your behaviour is like when it comes to these things from tons of past experience.  Or, right now you are working away furiously after you made your statement in order to deliver the goods.  If either one of my beliefs is true, then you are lying through your teeth.

I am not a liar MH--thank you very much.
I do not bow down to your(or anyone elses) commands on what,when,and where i should do things.
Please stop blaming your limitations on me

So you are "correcting me" there, about a resistor?  You look like a clown stating that.

Oh,so it's not important to know the current phase relationship in the secondary to the rest of the system?--who needs some lessons in !!correct!! measurements now MH?.
Shouldn't we know the secondaries current phase when looking for your !!impedance !!change MH?,or are we just happy to use EMF as a measure of power now?..

I will repeat it:  There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

You are a true blue hypocrite MH-and you just proved that.
In one breath you are saying--listen to those that can teach you-if you dont know how to do something,just ask-we are here to help.
And in the next breath you say-There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first

You are just pathetic MH.
As i said before-i asked Poynt the question about !what can change impedance in a transformer! ,because i had used all the knowledge i had to find if the impedance could indeed change.
And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help,  not to help at all-->you sad ,sad individual.


Brad

[tinman]

Brad, lets not go there.....I know what you said, and you know what I stated as well...leave it at that.

Erfinder
I am not going to tread on rose peddles with you.
I just want it made clear that it was not me that said anything about a pure resistance changing with frequency-i said a effective resistance. Your comment about ! how anyone could think a pure resistance changes with frequency in beyond me!,makes it sound like you were referring to my comment,as we are talking about the resistance changing within an inductor with a change in frequency--nothing to do with pure resistances.

As long as we have that understanding,then yes--lets leave it at that.

Brad

[MileHigh]

Brad:

Read: Impedance is "the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component."  Effective resistance is voltage over current.

As neither the ohmic resistance or reactance has  changed in the circuit MH,please tell us all here how the impedance has changed.

When the voltage over the current changes, then the impedance changes.  Don't tell me you are stuck in another "miscomprehension loop" over what impedance means.  You can fight that one out with somebody else and if they win the war of attrition you will get unstuck from the loop.

You have done what you normally do,and associated a drop in current being the result in the change of impedance--which it is not.

Assuming that the voltage is constant, that calls for a LOL infinity.

From the mechanical resonance thread
Quote: Next i am going to use a laser to find out where the magnet is in relation to the primary coils magnetic field. I want to find out what kind of interaction the PMs field is having with the primaries field. I have this feeling that some how the PMs field is leading that of the primaries field,and this is how the secondaries EMF phase is able to come back into phase with the current of the primary,and not 90* out as it should be --we will see.

So you took my advice, did I get any credit?

Lol. I guess you think i have never done this sort of thing before--timing that is

I have seen scope shots from you, but I can't recall seeing any serious timing analysis for a circuit done by you.

As i said,your input is neither wanted or needed,and there is nothing that you could explain to me.

That deserves another lol.   The way a person poses a question is a very good way of determining where their knowledge level and competence level is.  Questions being posed by someone are often very revealing about the poser.

Have a look at this:

While you are here,could you answer a simple question?.
What is needed in order to cause a change in impedance in a transformer,where that transformer has a primary and secondary winding,and is of an air core type ?.

Poynt was being very polite.  But after six years of this, you were not able to pose a question that makes sense and demonstrates competence.  It's an amateur vague, undefined question.  It's the type of question that would get you eaten alive on a serious electronics forum.

Like the resonant systems in and around ICEs?--or perhaps the workings of simple electronic components -like a J/FET ?

You must be getting sore from that.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Brad:

You are a true blue hypocrite MH-and you just proved that.
In one breath you are saying--listen to those that can teach you-if you dont know how to do something,just ask-we are here to help.
And in the next breath you say-There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first

You are just pathetic MH.
As i said before-i asked Poynt the question about !what can change impedance in a transformer! ,because i had used all the knowledge i had to find if the impedance could indeed change.
And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help,  not to help at all-->you sad ,sad individual.

Like I already stated, your question was half-assed.  PW politely asked you for a schematic, not for a verbal description from you.

And here you are you !!hypocrite!! telling those here,that can help,  not to help at all

I refuse to believe that you can't understand, "There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first."

After six years and loads of help from Poynt, myself, TK, PW and others, you need to respect the time of the people you are dealing with.  Do the work first and show your measurements, results, and conclusions and then seek help and advice from others.  That is the message for your lazy fat ass.  Did you see your laziness biting you in the ass because you could not be bothered to show a dot convention on your transformer and Poynt said your scope probe placement and what was on your schematic didn't match and you made mmmeesttaak-k-k-esssss?

You deserve help but you have to earn it.  It shouldn't take three weeks and 15 hours of other people's time to demonstrate to you that your little experiment proves nothing and for the 30th time you deluded yourself.  It should tale 2 hours max of other people's time to figure it out.  Present your data, show your measurements, show your calculations, show your timing.  Get off your ass and improve your game and show respect to the people that want to help you by doing the bloody work and summarizing it in a nice neat informative posting or two or three.  I have already told you this before.  Don't be a sad sack.

MileHigh

[tinman]

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MileHigh

Like I already stated, your question was half-assed.  PW politely asked you for a schematic, not for a verbal description from you.

A classic example of your misdirection attempts MH. You wanted proof--here it is right here.
The question was driected to Poynt,and that question was--While you are here,could you answer a simple question?.
What is needed in order to cause a change in impedance in a transformer,where that transformer has a primary and secondary winding,and is of an air core type ?.

I refuse to believe that you can't understand, "There is no point in doing any kind of analysis for Brad until he actually tries to do the analysis himself first.

You MH are against all that this forum stands for--helping others to learn that which they do not know. You truly are !!against!! the heart of this forum,and your very clear attempt to go against what this forum is about is now here for everyone to see. Your true nature and intent is now visible MH-you have been exposed for what you are. You are against experimenter helping experimenter,and you should be ejected from this forum. Your fowl language is also on display here on this forum. You may be able to remove your posts showing such profanities,but you cannot remove my reply's that include your profanities. And then you have the nerve to say--!It's embarrassing how ridiculous and awful your behaviour is!--you really are a hypocrite MH-and that is clear throughout this thread.

After six years and loads of help from Poynt, myself, TK, PW and others, you need to respect the time of the people you are dealing with.

I have the upmost respect for all mentioned !but you! MH. I have zero respect for you,and your sadistic attitude.

Do the work first and show your measurements, results, and conclusions[/b] and then seek help and advice from others.  That is the message for your lazy fat ass.

The only one that has a lazy fat ass MH is you--sitting in your little rocking chair,and doing nothing but bringing negativity to this forum. This shows how delusional you are,and you are beginning to believe your own lies.

Did you see your laziness biting you in the ass because you could not be bothered to show a dot convention on your transformer and Poynt said your scope probe placement and what was on your schematic didn't match and you made mmmeesttaak-k-k-esssss?

Second attempt at misdirection by you MH,and in the same thread.
The scope shot is absolutely correct for the question asked,and had absolutely nothing to do with polarity correctness. Lets see you go argue that point with PW and TK,then bring your little self back here ,with your tail tucked behind your leg's,and make another apology for being incorrect again. You will not question what they have to say,because you  are a coward-pure and simple.

You deserve help but you have to earn it.  It shouldn't take three weeks and 15 hours of other people's time to demonstrate to you that your little experiment proves nothing and for the 30th time you deluded yourself.

The only one that is deluded here MH,is you--that much has become clear in this thread alone.

It should tale 2 hours max of other people's time to figure it out.

Please try and keep your English up to scratch MH,as that makes no sense at all--what go's around,comes around.

Present your data, show your measurements, show your calculations, show your timing.  Get off your ass and improve your game and show respect to the people that want to help you by doing the bloody work and summarizing it in a nice neat informative posting or two or three.  I have already told you this before.  Don't be a sad sack.

Lol--look at you, thinking your all that lol.
You simply do not have the smarts to make demands like that MH.
You really need to get over the fact that i have had to correct you so many times in one thread--so tuffen up princess.
As i stated,i have respect for most here--except you.
You are a true example of those that this forum could do without.
And to finally go as far as to tell one member not to help out another member when they have asked for it,is nothing short of being a true troll/disinformationist--you have proven that beyond doubt now.


I will now repeat my questions to MH.
You are now in the same position you put EMJ in with your coil question.

1-The drop in current flow through the primary coil(the drop in P/in),means the impedance value of the primary coil went up or down?
2-The increase in current flow through the secondary coil,resulting in a higher power value dissipated across the 5 ohm resistor, means the impedance in the secondary coil went up or down?
3- The combined results of the transformer as a whole,means the impedance went up or down?.
4-The phase relationship between the primary and secondary coils current is bought into phase with each other how?
5-Show another transformer test carried out that shows the EMF and current phase relationship between the primary and secondary coil of a transformer to be in phase.

This is the second time i have asked MH these questions.
I ask no more from MH than he did of EMJ.
I also ask no one answer the questions until MH has done so.


Brad