Joule Thief 101

[innovation_station]

 

never saw something soooo kooool   so simple  eh !

here is 1 worlds first public exposed jt!  displaying ou

i built this a long time ago.. 



long time b4 the jt thred came along ..    lol

leds are wired a j says ... a special way ... 

[WilbyInebriated]

Lol those are some extreme conditions, I was sort of starting to think that a JT needs luck. It makes my joulethief, was pretty close to generic specs, which didn't work look bad. But I'll retry when I have the exact parts and some electronic equipment.

here is the post from the jt thread showing the aircore coil. a toilet paper roll can be used as the coil form, heck you can wind it on a drinking straw if you want.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg143373#msg143373
i dont think i ever posted a picture of the one wound directly on the transistor body but if you would like i can take a picture for you. worth a thousand words or something like that...

Thanks for that info. It will make making the coils alot easier.

Dick.

glad to help.

[innovation_station]

here a few pictures of tests i did with a neon and 1 wire ..

ist

[Mk1]

@all

Ist made one watch http://www.youtube.com/user/innovationstation#p/u/22/Jiodkjo9hpk

I hope this will help !

First thing tuning, on step one the green coil is put on tight leaving room so that two other coil (for the jt)can be added 180 degrees
apart, the green coil needs to be connected to a diode bridge to get voltage readings .

On step 2 , you start adding jt coils one at a time and check voltmeter every time you put more turns , that way you see the difference it makes continue adding turns until the voltage on the voltmeter start going lower, this will mean you have reached the point where you start messing up with the turn ratio , meaning you add more you get lower voltage.

On more step i do is every time i change the jt numbers of turn i also tune the base resistor , usually a pot of 1k is used, you try to get the highest voltage on the voltmeter . i also keep the voltage data and the resistance at the base by checking the resistance used by the pot in the circuit.

At this point you will know that you have the right number of turns on the jt coil, and the green coil number of turns fitting in the toroid,.

At that point based on results decide to use smaller gauge the get more turns and higher voltage .

You will also have a good idea on the toroid working range.

To make a good design , you need to learn about the toroid first at this point you should have a good idea about doing so.


Step 3 , Start putting pickup coil on the toroid, you need to put the coil on both sides going one way and leave wire to come back over the coil the other way on step 4.Making a cross windings.

If you want more pickup coil , you need to put them all at the same time , so make sure to remember the green coil for the room available  .

Lets say 20 turns fit , then on a mk1 you should have about 20 up then 16 down , mk2 having 2 pickup coils on each side numbers would be 10 up 6 down , you get the idea.

When you need more then 3 pickup coil , twist all those wire into a single one then do it all at once.

Now why the cross windings , you will then have the coil pushing and pulling , you can test it with a led that will now light both ways , it also helpful in charging caps.

I hope did not forget to much, i would really make a video but , i really don't have any money to buy a camera
, and none of my friends have one, but honestly most of my time and energy is on putting food in my stomach.

Mark

How to test dead spots use a single turn pickup coil , then connect it to a bridge and voltmeter and move it around the empty space left on the toroid , if you find a spot where there is no voltage that is a dead spot.

What could i have new to say ?

Nut much , but if i was to try this i would first try to find the best gauge for the jt side (bigger wire ) then try the match them gram for gram , since they will have the same mass and materiel they will share resonance at any freq.

The smaller you go on the secondary side , bigger resistance higher turn ratio for mass , same mass smaller gauge .

I think this will make sure that the current is not lost due to unmatched weight ...

Depending on the winding direction you get different sine wave .

Winding rotation direction , can help setting kick generation (+or-), when working with multiple core.

I hope this will help

Mark

[resonanceman]

Nut much , but if i was to try this i would first try to find the best gauge for the jt side (bigger wire ) then try the match them gram for gram , since they will have the same mass and materiel they will share resonance at any freq.

The smaller you go on the secondary side , bigger resistance higher turn ratio for mass , same mass smaller gauge .

I think this will make sure that the current is not lost due to unmatched weight ...

Mark

How  important  would  you  say  matching   weight is ?   

Do you  know of  a chart or website that  has  weight  per ft  of wire so we can  work out  the  balance  with  different  wire sizes ?

gary