Joule Thief 101

[MileHigh]

Brad:

Here is your first "ICE" reference:

I dont think you grasp the reasoning behind resonance. The reasoning being much the same to that of having the timing correct in an ICE engine-done for best performance.

The correct timing in an ICE engine is not "resonance" and it has absolutely zero to do with the resonance we are discussing.

My post #514 is still there asking you to explain some of your statements:

- explain your so-called "reasoning" behind resonance.
- define "resonance" in a Joule Thief

You finally explained how a wine glass resonates:

By receiving pulses of energy at the correct !time!<--time MH) at it's natural resonant frequency.
These pulses of energy can be either pressure waves,or physical contact taps on the glass it self.When enough energy is stored in the glass,and the molecules of the glass are agitated,the glass then go's into resonance.
Whats your point?.

There, finally.  You clearly can't explain how a wine glass resonates, and so that means ultimately you don't even know what resonance is.  You have been bluffing your way through this whole time.

Here is my question in full:

How does a wine glass resonate?  How is the resonant frequency determined?  Explain that and show that you know what you are talking about.

Here is your reply about how the resonant frequency is determined:

Of what?
Mechanical,acoustic,or electrical resonance?.
And you say i am no good at explaining things.

So you bluff and pretend that you don't know what I am referring to in a totally ridiculous vain attempt to say that I am not explaining myself properly.  We all can see the truth, you have no clue whatsoever and can't explain how the resonance frequency of a wine glass is determined.

So the whole discussion has been in vain because you don't even know what resonance is.

MileHigh

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[tinman]

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MileHigh

The whole time I have been talking about true resonance and not "motor shop talk" "resonance.

You asked for some examples of different types of resonance.
I provide them(as well as proving you wrong at the same time),and now you have a tanty.
No-you have been talking only of electrical/magnetic resonance. All the other examples(that you asked for)that i provided are true resonant example's.
Like i said MH--you dont get to determine what true resonance is--science has already done that,and you are only interested in one type.

It's completely retarded to go for specific definitions about "resonance" for an ICE after the fact when before that all you did was make a generic statement with no specifics.  You man up and start communicating effectively and with purpose - like a man.

All i did was to say how the ignition timing in an ICE was similar to that of the required timing of the energy pulse to create a resonant system,where as both need that timing to be correct in order to achieve the desired results.

We are talking about electrical circuits.  Man up to that.

No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

Sorry MH,but i had to put an end to that bullshit.
After all,it was you that made that statement--not me.

Stop this ridiculous "stream of consciousness" nonsense.  LC resonator -> Joule Thief -> ICE -> ICE intake manifold -> Two-stroke engines -> Inertial supercharging  -> Rainbows -> Schumann resonance -> Ping-pong balls -> Beach balls -> Sandy beach -> Gong chanting on the beach, and on and on and on.   It's RIDICULOUS, stay on topic.

Well some one is being ridiculous 

It's universally understood what a Joule Thief is.  From the very beginning I have been talking about the scientific and engineering definition of resonance.  We are not taking any stream-of-consciousness walks with you, you suck up to that, biatch.

And everything i posted about the resonant systems in an ICE, are scientific and engineering definition of resonance.

I know you have a need to be correct all the time MH,and i can understand you doing your best to curve your mistakes away from you. But some times you just need to take it on the chin,and try and get it right next time--like i have done many times before.

Oh,by the way--i like rainbows and sandy beaches


Brad

[MileHigh]

And everything i posted about the resonant systems in an ICE, are scientific and engineering definition of resonance.

Says the man that can't explain what resonance is in a wine glass.  The discussion is over because it has all been in vain.  Go get some books and read them and learn and understand what resonance actually is.  You need to get to the point where you understand how a wine glass resonates.  Also work on your personal integrity with that farce of a response from you about the resonant frequency of a wine glass.

[tinman]

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MileHigh

Here is your first "ICE" reference:

I dont think you grasp the reasoning behind resonance. The reasoning being much the same to that of having the timing correct in an ICE engine-done for best performance.

The correct timing in an ICE engine is not "resonance" and it has absolutely zero to do with the resonance we are discussing.

As can be clearly seen by your own posting of my statement,i never said the timing in an ICE is resonance. But it is a accurate description of how resonance is achieved in the electrical sense. As i have said,the timing of the input pulse of energy is critical in both cases to achieve maximum gains. How you dont see that is beyond me MH.

explain your so-called "reasoning" behind resonance.

This i have answered many times now MH,so you can understand as to why i refuse to answer every time you cant be bothered to look-just like you did with me explaining how the JT was working at low voltages. When you finally decided to go find the answer,you come back and say-thats plausible. Now we are doing it all over again The reasoning being to gain maximum efficiency from the system-the very same way we do with the ICEs--resonance MH,resonance.

- define "resonance" in a Joule Thief

And over,and over,and over

You finally explained how a wine glass resonates:

Do i have to be on here 24 hours a day to answer your questions as soon as you ask the MH.
Sorry dude,but i run on my time,not MHs time.

There, finally.  You clearly can't explain how a wine glass resonates, and so that means ultimately you don't even know what resonance is.  You have been bluffing your way through this whole time.

The explanation i gave is correct.
Lets see yours MH.

So you bluff and pretend that you don't know what I am referring to in a totally ridiculous vain attempt to say that I am not explaining myself properly.  We all can see the truth, you have no clue whatsoever and can't explain how the resonance frequency of a wine glass is determined.

A great example of your inadequate supply of information.
You asked -what determines the resonant frequency--no mention of a wine glass in that question.
If you are referring to a wine glass,then there are a multitude of things that will determine the resonant frequency of that wine glass--there is no one simple MH equation that can be used to calculate that resonant frequency.

Can you list all those things that will determine the resonant frequency of a wine glass MH ?--no chance in hell. You are full of it. You ask questions you your self cannot even answer.
What grade of crystal is the wine glass made of MH ?.
What are the specifications on the physical size and parameters of the glass?.
How long is a piece of string?.

So the whole discussion has been in vain because you don't even know what resonance is.

And yet it has been me that has given you many proven examples of resonance !that you say dont even exist! lol You pick and choose what is correct on Wikipedia to suit your need's.

Face it MH,you have fallen of your perch in this thread--on multiple occasions.
We are all a wake up to your trick (unanswerable) questions--and they just done work any more MH.

Sorry for putting your fire out MH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUJfYcn3V4


Brad

[MileHigh]

A great example of your inadequate supply of information.
You asked -what determines the resonant frequency--no mention of a wine glass in that question.

You're challenged.

If you are referring to a wine glass,then there are a multitude of things that will determine the resonant frequency of that wine glass--there is no one simple MH equation that can be used to calculate that resonant frequency.

Can you list all those things that will determine the resonant frequency of a wine glass MH ?--no chance in hell. You are full of it. You ask questions you your self cannot even answer.
What grade of crystal is the wine glass made of MH ?.
What are the specifications on the physical size and parameters of the glass?.

You don't have the slightest clue.