Joule Thief 101

[tinman]

Mags:

Nobody that has a clue about electronics can take you seriously about the voltage source.  Prancing around and saying "Disprove my statement about 'ideal CEMF'" when everybody knows that that is just a spur-of-the-moment "Bradism" is pure farce.  It the old shift-the-burden-of-proof game that has come up ad nauseam on the forums.  You know the drill, "Prove my free energy machine doesn't work."  So you are a pitch man with a tired old song and dance and a crusty dirty old bow tie that's seen better days.

You are out here prancing around like a tired old song and dance man because poor Brad had a really bad moment and you want to draw attention away from that by doing the Dancing Chicken dance and trying an old carny pitch.  It's not working and all of the real electronics people that aren't even on this forum but just lurk for the fun and comedy factor, they are all standing around laughing harshly among themselves and looking at at the poor Dancing Chicken carny guy.

Your question is clear and precise MH

The first part clearly states-an ideal voltage of 4 volts is placed across an ideal inductor for a time of 3 seconds.
Then your answer shows  voltages all over the place.
An ideal voltage dose not vary in time-regardless of the load it is placed across.
You even state in your question 4 volts for 3 seconds across the ideal coil.

We have now entered the realm of the MH paradox,where the meaning of terms can change at MHs will-regardless of facts.


Brad

[Magluvin]

I can't help it if you are so completely clueless after all the years of tinkering with electronics that you can't conceive of a variable ideal voltage source - or - this is all the fake Dancing Chicken.

I told you, go see Brad about the "Ideal CEMF" source.  This is the second and last time I will say it.

Go see Brad?  Brad and I pose the same argument to you.  We are on the same playing field. You are in the make believe playing field. This changing things to fit your argument is a big reason you and I had big arguments in the past. Today didnt have to go like this. You could have tried to clear this up. But I understand that you cannot and are in a corner. And the posts you throw at me show just that.

Can you define counter emf of an inductor? Do you know why it occurs and what effect it has on the input emf?  If you do understand those questions and can answer them well, then you should understand why we pose the question as to why you believe that the cemf of an 'ideal inductor' is not ideal cemf. You have not provided anything to counter that argument. You just 'choose' to say that the cemf of an ideal inductor is not ideal and thats all. You cannot see why that is not good enough for anyone. Well then this is why we are talking about it. We have a very valid point on this, and virtually zero reasoning from you as to why the cemf is not ideal in an ideal inductor. You are taking the ideal inductor and defining it as you see fit, with zero reference as to why you can do that when it does not coincide with the real definition.

Magluvin

[tinman]

You poor guys.  Here you are struggling to understand that the transition from a real inductor with a 0.000001 ohm wire resistance to an ideal coil is seamless.  Instead, you have this crazy belief that no current flows when it is an ideal inductor.  What's the root cause?  The root cause is that you don't understand what an inductor is.  It's "paint by numbers" electronics.  If you are given a sheet to paint in all of the areas, and some numbers are missing, you freeze.  So many things that should be just a normal learning experience are just another version of the ideal coil fiasco.  Simple, understandable things are turned into a crisis.  And to make matters worse, illogical things are invented out of thin air and become part of some "electronics superstition."  You don't have a hope in hell.

Everybody could have been on board and worked together and the question could have been answered a long time ago and everybody could have been that much smarter.  But no, this is the Bizarro world, where your goal is to make it harder and the goal is to fail.

The whole thing is like some Monty Python Black comedy.  The answer to the question will never be arrived at.

A real inductor reaches its maximum current limit in 5 time constants-or very close to.
An ideal inductor has an infinite time constant.

The MH paradox now takes hold,and real and ideal have now became close enough to the same

Brad

[MileHigh]

<<< An ideal voltage dose not vary in time-regardless of the load it is placed across.  >>>

I am really sorry that you are unable to conceptualize normal things like v(t) Brad.  It is obviously a severe handicap.

[Magluvin]

You poor guys.  Here you are struggling to understand that the transition from a real inductor with a 0.000001 ohm wire resistance to an ideal coil is seamless.  Instead, you have this crazy belief that no current flows when it is an ideal inductor.  What's the root cause?  The root cause is that you don't understand what an inductor is.  It's "paint by numbers" electronics.  If you are given a sheet to paint in all of the areas, and some numbers are missing, you freeze.  So many things that should be just a normal learning experience are just another version of the ideal coil fiasco.  Simple, understandable things are turned into a crisis.  And to make matters worse, illogical things are invented out of thin air and become part of some "electronics superstition."  You don't have a hope in hell.

Everybody could have been on board and worked together and the question could have been answered a long time ago and everybody could have been that much smarter.  But no, this is the Bizarro world, where your goal is to make it harder and the goal is to fail.

The whole thing is like some Monty Python Black comedy.  The answer to the question will never be arrived at.

"You poor guys.  Here you are struggling to understand that the transition from a real inductor with a 0.000001 ohm wire resistance to an ideal coil is seamless."

It is not seamless.  Neither is .00000000000000000000000000001ohm. Just the difference between your example and mine is NOT seamless.  Its far from it.

In your example, 1uohm, the current could double if it were .5uohm.  Seamless. More like senseless.    What a bad argument.


" Instead, you have this crazy belief that no current flows when it is an ideal inductor.  What's the root cause?  The root cause is that you don't understand what an inductor is."

What is the root cause? ?? Havnt we been telling you? For how long now?   Is your memory that bad that you cant remember the posts of today? 

Readers. Are you reading this?     Silly isnt it?


" If you are given a sheet to paint in all of the areas, and some numbers are missing, you freeze. "

Freeze?  It is you that are frozen. We are not JUST seeing numbers missing, we are pointing out numbers that are missing and are asking why they are missing in your description. That is not us freezing. It is you. You cannot fully explain your claims. Something you blame many here for. Its on the record. The needle has made its groove.


"So many things that should be just a normal learning experience are just another version of the ideal coil fiasco."

The ideal components are far from normal. That is where you have difficulty I suppose. IT IS NOT NORMAL JIM.  It is a fiasco when you change definitions to suit your arguments, as you have done in the past. Shall I show the examples of you changing the rules to fit your arguments back in the Larscro deal? I have read through that when I dug up that last dirt on you. So I can do that if you like.


"And to make matters worse, illogical things are invented out of thin air and become part of some "electronics superstition."  You don't have a hope in hell."

Cemf of an inductor is what impedes the input emf. Is it not? It is NOT illogical. It is NOT invented. It is NOT superstition. It is fact. A simple fact that you cant seem to handle or comprehend. Clearly.


"But no, this is the Bizarro world, where your goal is to make it harder and the goal is to fail."

You brought up the IDEAL bizarro world to this discussion. And we are all on board, over here.  lol  We may need to send out a life boat for ya.

Mags