STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

That scope doesn't seem to be a digital storage oscilloscope. You need a DSO to be able to store a waveform and dump it via the GPIB port into a computer for further data processing. That's crucial if you need to do precise assessment of the data. The high-end scopes, aside from other special characteristics, can do some basic data processing. For our case not so much necessary if you can do that after dumping the data into the computer.

See this, for instance: http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/tektronix/oscilloscope/tds2022b-tds2024b.htm

[Liberty]

@all
After you have your Orbo style motors running well and you know how much power it takes to run it,and what RPM it runs under load, a test of torque output (via prony brake and weight scale) converted into watts will be necessary to calculate if the output is greater than the input.  Here is a helpful web site that might assist you to arrive at the proper calculation and conclusion.  It is:  http://www.magtrol.com/support/motorpower_calc.htm

[SnowDog]

Off to Dublin, everybody ...

This happens for the first time in our community, someone to invite people to do tests as they please on his machine. I'm out of words. That's exactly how people claiming OU should behave. Go Steorn. All power to you.

Ha ha, Steorn is legit, and there's no stopping this technology now, as Steorn has provided enough detail for someone to eventually get it right. IMO it could take a long time for the 1st open-sourced self-runner because it's due to magnetic viscosity, so everything has to be just right. Also given what I've seen in sims and experiments it seems the magnetic material needs to reset someone or simply resting a long time. Maybe Steorn has no revealed the big secret on how to reset the magnetic material.

Enjoy your trip.

Guys, think about this for a second...

In order to scramble the ferrite core inside the toroid, you would have to have enough power in the toroid to generate a magnetic field which is greater than the magnetic field coming from the permanent magnet on the rotor. This means that: 1) you are applying power to the motor, by generating a magnetic field powerful enough to overcome the magnetic field from the rotor; and 2) the power needed for the toroid must be directly proportional to the magnetic field from the rotor.

There is nothing to indicate that conservation of energy is being violated.

[maw2432]

That scope doesn't seem to be a digital storage oscilloscope. You need a DSO to be able to store a waveform and dump it via the GPIB port into a computer for further data processing. That's crucial if you need to do precise assessment of the data. The high-end scopes, aside from other special characteristics, can do some basic data processing. For our case not so much necessary if you can do that after dumping the data into the computer.

See this, for instance: http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/tektronix/oscilloscope/tds2022b-tds2024b.htm

Thanks

It does have USB out to computer and Data Cable (Transfer waveform data to a PC)

Would that be ok for a poor-mans DSO for recording output... or do you really need DSO?

Thanks

Bill

[broli]

Guys, think about this for a second...

In order to scramble the ferrite core inside the toroid, you would have to have enough power in the toroid to generate a magnetic field which is greater than the magnetic field coming from the permanent magnet on the rotor. This means that: 1) you are applying power to the motor, by generating a magnetic field powerful enough to overcome the magnetic field from the rotor; and 2) the power needed for the toroid must be directly proportional to the magnetic field from the rotor.

There is nothing to indicate that conservation of energy is being violated.

Conceptually there never is anything that indicates it, at least according to the concepts of textbook physics. This is why people experiment so they discover "unknown" things.

What you have mentioned makes full sense to me as I have stumbled across that conclusion as well, but again my head doesn't dictate nature. According to to my thought experiment you can not only decrease the force on the way out but you can even make it repel the magnet without having to deal with induced emf. The problem of the thought experiment lays in core saturation. There is going to be a loss in inductive magnetic energy after the magnet is gone, wether this loss is also there in the real world or is exactly equal or less than the mechanical energy gain is a completly different story. Only experimentation reveals the truth. But Steorn's big thing according to their patents is magnetic viscosity.