STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[gravityblock]

Then try to explain Sean's words: "we are modifying time frames" in other terms.

I agree with you Striker but I wouldn't go too heavy on the "time frame" thing.  I've been down this road and most people think time is just a measurement and is a man made concept.  You will be fighting an uphill battle trying to convince even 1% of the people here that time can run slower in one frame of reference while it is running faster in another frame of reference. 

IMO, this is exactly what is happening with the Orbo and I have spent many sleepless nights trying to figure out how to manipulate these different "time frames".  Einstein's theory of relativity says the speed of light is constant in all reference frames.  This can only be true if time is variable. 

IMO, mass slows time down and causes a time gradient around the mass, thus gravity.  The closer you get to the mass, the slower time runs.  This is responsible for the acceleration of an object falling towards a large mass.   The object is moving through slower time frames and gains energy, thus an acceleration.  It boggles my mind that physicists are so blinded to this concept.  100% time is 0% energy and 100% energy is 0% time.  Time and energy are the inverse of each other.  You lose one, you gain the other and vice versa.


GB

[Staffman]

I've been looking at different toroid materials for the past few days. I ran across this chart (see link) that shows a changing permeability with changing Gauss. I've tried to find other materials with this graph, with no success.

Is this what they are talking about?

http://www.fair-rite.com/cgibin/catalog.pgm?THEAPPL=Inductive+Components&THEWHERE=Closed+Magnetic+Circuit&THEPART=Toroids#select:onepart

Ok.... link not quite right...

After you click on the link, select the High Permeability 76 material. Then select the bottom toroid from the list (5976000221). Then see the chart labeled 'Amplitude Permeability vs Flux Density.

[plengo]

Sorry for the stupid question:

How is the outcome of this experiment and all the talks at youtube from Steorn? Is this OU? Has anyone replicated a real Orbo?

Fausto.

[lumen]

Then try to explain Sean's words: "we are modifying time frames" in other terms.

If you can move the magnets in slowly, drawing power as you do, then move them away quickly, you have modified the time frame of the reaction and can have a much shorter pulse to hide the coil compared to the energy gained on the approach.

[mikestocks2006]

Few observations from the demo, Regular Pulse motor vs Orbo and Inductance changes.
The only measured info displayed for all to see was Inductance of regular motor 7.254 mH at the beginning of the pulse, and 961.4 mH for the Orbo at the same beginning of the pulse. That is a factor of about 132.5x
The coils on both setups appear to have the same outside dimensions. Similarly positioned and are toriods.
Inductance of toroidal coil is:  proportional to the permeability of the core material, proportional to the square of coil turns, and also proportional to the ration of the cross section area over the effective core length
L=u*(N^2)*A/(2*3.14*r)
In addition  the core permeability is also dependant on the external magnetic field applied to it.
The main unknowns regarding inductance between the two motors are:
a.Core material properties,
b. core size, physical dimensions and number of  turns. You can have a smaller core with more turns fitting into the same volume (apparent same size of toroid)
c. Pole orientation and strength of the rotor magnets (external magnetic field)

So between the 2 rotors we do not know what level of saturation does each core experience, and furthermore when the coils are pulsed during operation what is the H field created by the coils (as stated above they can be different # of turns), and of course, what is the composite effect of both fields (coil plus magnets) on the core material.

One question to ask:
If the coil field is extremely high as compared to the outside from the magnets, will the coil ever register a “dip” in current as the outside magnets pass though and move away?

Nice comments folks
Thanks for posting
Mike