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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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hekkmekk

I agree with what you've said about the importance and the groundbreaking news for science.
But I just wanted to know if anybody can think about a useful engine. Just asking this to brainstorm about the endversion of orbo.
You understood me wrong if you think I find that invention meaningless. It is vice versa.

btw, the sterling-motor, I mentioned, was just an idea to catch the heat to do useful work. I didn't say I think the orbo is such kind of engine...

gravityblock

Quote from: allcanadian on February 05, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
@airstriker
I would disagree, I have built both the steorn and callanan motors and they both  have benefits and issues that need to sorted out. As well both have very little torque and were never designed to carry a load persay, they were designed to recharge the source thus the flywheel effect as you call it is an integral and equal part of the operation of both devices.

AC

Torque and RPM can easily be increased by not having your coils and magnets at every 90o.  With this setup, there is no torque during the pulse and no torque after the pulse until it's next attraction point.

A design with 6 coils at 60o from each other and 9 sets of dual magnets 40o from each other will have plenty of torque.  You'll always have magnets in attraction providing torque.  Also, you'll have 9 sets of dual magnets moving past your pickup coils instead of just 4 sets.  With the toroids vertical, you can even place more pickup coils around the rotor.  It's just like Sean has said, the only limit is in the design.

A design like this will have torque to carry a load and be able to charge the source at the same time.  They have kept things simple in the Orbo demonstrations and this is the reason why it can't be under load while charging the source.  This doesn't mean it can't be designed to have torque to carry a load and to charge the source at the same time.

I may not have the design I described above totally right, but you should get the main idea how this system can have plenty of torque to carry a load and to charge up the source.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: teslaalset on February 05, 2010, 04:41:27 PM
Bedini always advertised soft iron (many small diameter rods pulled together to avoid Eddy Current losses).

Namlite coating can reduce eddy currents, http://www.magmet.com/newmaterials.php


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: LarryC on February 05, 2010, 06:49:01 PM
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Haven't tried, but it should also eliminate CEMF from a moving magnet.

Just a comment on the constant core discussions. Steorn has stated on their forum that the material was not that important, but it could be used to maximize performance.
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Regards,
Larry

Excellent post and I hope someone can test your idea to see if it can reduce or eliminate the CEMF.  Tape wound toroidal cores can eliminate nearly all of the CEMF from a moving magnet also.  It's a near perfect magnetic circuit.

Elimination of the CEMF is the most important factor.  I've also stated ferrite cores may work, but we need to find the cores that are the best performers.  Elimination of the CEMF and the best performing core materials will increase our chances of success.

A tape wound toroidal core using a nanocrystalline material with Namlite coating should have a huge advantage over a standard ferrite core.  Take your pick, both will probably work, but one will have better performance and more success.  The very minimal should be a tape wound toroidal core with a soft magnetic material.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

infringer

Quote from: hekkmekk on February 05, 2010, 08:46:39 PM
I agree with what you've said about the importance and the groundbreaking news for science.
But I just wanted to know if anybody can think about a useful engine. Just asking this to brainstorm about the endversion of orbo.
You understood me wrong if you think I find that invention meaningless. It is vice versa.

btw, the sterling-motor, I mentioned, was just an idea to catch the heat to do useful work. I didn't say I think the orbo is such kind of engine...

There are a number of ways to maximize the usable energy ...
Here is one a little more modern then a sterling http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280448787182

While much of this may be heat energy even if it is 50% more energy it is of no matter... We can still use some of this "3"

Use your imagination a little but yes it is practical ...

The only thing I wonder if scaled up will results change?
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