STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[lumen]

Lumen, if you are referring to JLN's report here:  http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm#patent that is not his patent.  It is a US Army patent.  He just found it and brought it to our attention as possibly being important to understand when winding toroids.  You, of course, have been telling us all about the same issue for quite some time before.

@mondrasek

So what you say is true!
I have been mistaken and owe JLN an apology.
Someone found this same problem a few years back.
Kinda makes me wonder what they were working on back then?

[freeorbo]

If the field from the magnets sit on the linear portions of the M-H Curve of the core material when the pulse is applied, then the attraction force is not reduced while keeping the torque at it's , but the DC input energy will be reduced.  How many times do I need to say what is in bold.  I will say it as many times as necessary for this to sink in, if that is possible.

It sounds like you're describing how to make it more efficient which is great, and I think you're also explaining the need for the air gap between the magnet and rotor.

What the "linear" portion of the M-H curve show is that after a point, you're going to need a lot more energy to saturate that core to one polarity.

Or, conversely, you're going to need a lot more energy to de-saturate the core at first, so what if Orbo stayed at the horizontal asymptote of the curve? That would mean that the passing rotor still leaves a high amount of M in the core. Maybe the M level never drops much at all, and that might be the  secret of Orbo.

I admire your persistence. But having the same M-H curve, for me, doesn't say that the cores and magnetic tapes. It just says that whoever made that module was looking at a similar graphic to the one in the other textbook. I've been told that the modules were made by SKDB members as a way to help out.

There's also one on there explaining basic atomic principles. Using your same logic you could be shouting up and down that Orbo relies on atoms for its power.

[PaulLowrance]

Most people in the public will want to buy a machine, not build it. Patents are good if you want to sell such machines to the people who has no interest in making one. I'm told that here in the USA if a company sells such a device without a patent, LOL, OMG, another company can patent it, legally claim it, prevent you from selling them, and sue the h*ll out of you if you don't stop.

Good grief, at least get a provisional patent for a single owner, which is like $100.

Steorn had no choice but to patent. They're a business. Sean means business, and he's made it very clear anyone who builds and sells their devices will be in court so fast.

[PaulLowrance]

btw, months ago I contacted Sean by email, and have made it very clear that I congratulate him, and that I have *ZERO* interest in copying their technology.  Years ago I started my magnetic research, and over a year ended with a solid state magnetic switch using low magnetic viscosity Metlgas core and high magnetic viscosity steel, which I concluded will work if the losses were low enough, but the losses from electrical resistance would be far to high. So it was never built one.

My interest with the Orbo replication is to see if the mechanical version can self-run, thus overcoming such losses. If it self runs, then I'll go back to my solid-state magnetic research and keep working on it until I come up with a solid-state design that's efficient enough to self-run.

As always, and as stated too many times, I'll make such a design open-sourced, and for the people who do not want to build their own I'll build them and sell them, but those designs will be fancier and more advance. 

[Pirate88179]

Most people in the public will want to buy a machine, not build it. Patents are good if you want to sell such machines to the people who has no interest in making one. I'm told that here in the USA if a company sells such a device without a patent, LOL, OMG, another company can patent it, legally claim it, prevent you from selling them, and sue the h*ll out of you if you don't stop.

Good grief, at least get a provisional patent for a single owner, which is like $100.

Steorn had no choice but to patent. They're a business. Sean means business, and he's made it very clear anyone who builds and sells their devices will be in court so fast.

This is incorrect.  In the US ONLY the inventor can patent a device so if I make one and sell it no one else can defend a patent that they MIGHT be able to obtain on my device.  This is for 2 reasons.  First, they did not invent it and second, it has been made known to the general public by my advertising and selling them so once exposed to the general public, it is not patentable by me or ANYONE.

I am not a patent attorney and therefore do not give patent advice.  I have been all through this a number of years ago and I prevailed when challenged by someone (very large corporation) that obtained a patent on our invention. 

They attempted a cease and desist but ended up having their patent on our invention made null and void for the 2 reasons I mentioned above.

Bil