Overunity.com Archives is Temporarily on Read Mode Only!



Free Energy will change the World - Free Energy will stop Climate Change - Free Energy will give us hope
and we will not surrender until free energy will be enabled all over the world, to power planes, cars, ships and trains.
Free energy will help the poor to become independent of needing expensive fuels.
So all in all Free energy will bring far more peace to the world than any other invention has already brought to the world.
Those beautiful words were written by Stefan Hartmann/Owner/Admin at overunity.com
Unfortunately now, Stefan Hartmann is very ill and He needs our help
Stefan wanted that I have all these massive data to get it back online
even being as ill as Stefan is, he transferred all databases and folders
that without his help, this Forum Archives would have never been published here
so, please, as the Webmaster and Creator of these Archives, I am asking that you help him
by making a donation on the Paypal Button above.
You can visit us or register at my main site at:
Overunity Machines Forum



STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 29 Guests are viewing this topic.

Omnibus

QuoteAll the Steorn stuff is based on the hypothesis that R*I² represents the losses, R being the coil resistance and I the current in the circuit, i.e. he is neglecting the work done by the coil current to change the electron spin alignment. This energy, like every consumed energy, is seen from the pulse generator as a current in a resistance R' possibly in parallel with R (thus derivating a part of I). It follows that Steorn's approximation is likely an over-estimation of the losses and an under-estimation of the useful energy.

So, you'll continue posting that crap which obviously proves the opposite of what you intend it to prove. Impudence of some people has no bounds.

woopy

Quote from: neptune on February 20, 2010, 01:09:55 PM
@Woopy . With due respect Sir , The use of magnetic recording tape was MY idea originally . Credit where it is due , please .


Really sorry Neptune, i did not know. I don't want to discredit any body anywhere . This idea is really interesting and probably can help. And the quick experiment with changing poles of the tape gives me some better knowledge and i thank you.

So bravo Neptune

regards

Laurent

haithar

Quote from: exnihiloest on February 21, 2010, 09:22:07 AM
So high that a whole physicists team has denied his effect :D.

All the Steorn stuff is based on the hypothesis that R*I² represents the losses, R being the coil resistance and I the current in the circuit, i.e. he is neglecting the work done by the coil current to change the electron spin alignment. This energy, like every consumed energy, is seen from the pulse generator as a current in a resistance R' possibly in parallel with R (thus derivating a part of I). It follows that Steorn's approximation is likely an over-estimation of the losses and an under-estimation of the useful energy.

We have not yet proof that Steorn would not be another Lutec, another Minato, another MPI... the only method to prove it, is not to preach good word of OU like the omnibus post but to produce a replicable selfrunning machine. A claim of OU without the evidence of a selfrunning machine is completely vain, we have not to swallow pseudo-scientific garbage.
As far as i know they didn't ever get a working prototype to do tests with and that's why they were disbanding.

The output energy is Wout = R * I² dt there's no arguing about it. It's not a hypothesis nor an imagination of someone, that's how you calculate. And since they shorted the coil it was an ohmic load in which all power is dissipated as heat. So output power = losses and you integrate R*I² by the time to get the energy.

neptune

@Woopy . No problem old chap . It is just that dumb guys like me do not get much glory . The real glory must go to Gravityblock for his investigation of the idea .

Omega_0

Quote from: exnihiloest on February 21, 2010, 09:22:07 AM
So high that a whole physicists team has denied his effect :D.

All the Steorn stuff is based on the hypothesis that R*I² represents the losses, R being the coil resistance and I the current in the circuit, i.e. he is neglecting the work done by the coil current to change the electron spin alignment. This energy, like every consumed energy, is seen from the pulse generator as a current in a resistance R' possibly in parallel with R (thus derivating a part of I). It follows that Steorn's approximation is likely an over-estimation of the losses and an under-estimation of the useful energy.


exnihiloest, my friend, you need to research a bit before posting or if in doubt, ask :)
I even posted the news about the jury on this thread many days ago, where it was disclosed that the jury tested nothing. Steorn failed to show up with a working model within the contract time and the jury said exactly that, but in different words.

If they tested it and proved it non-OU, where is the report ? There is none because there is nothing to report. You can blame the bad luck of steorn and mismanagement there, they mostly fail in whatever stunt they attempt :D

If you say they are neglecting the energy consumed in spin alignment, then why is there a trace at all at the input? If they are subtracting (I^2)*(RR')/(R+R') from the input, the trace should come out a flat 0.

Instead we see many peaks, with each peak falling to a higher value, which means some energy is being lost inspite of subtracting heat losses. (I hope you must have seen that huge spike in dE/dt also). Where is this energy getting lost ? My best guess is, in the spin alignment and hysteresis loss. So they are not neglecting it.

Of course the trace will prove nothing. But if we can show that the trace makes sense, steorn gets sorta plus points and it becomes less probable that they are scamming people for money. They are trying to show something, although in a very bad manner.

I have more respect for the fellow with a single idea who gets there than for the fellow with a thousand ideas who does nothing - Thomas Alva Edison