STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

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@htert2020

i appreciate your thoughtful posts,  i have been there.  i have been a quiet member of this forum for years.  i have built quite a few promising devices that i have seen here and other places online.  i am an electronics engineer,  with an industrial background.  i dont like to type too much so this is all ive got to say.......   if and when we stumble upon an overunity device or motor,  without geting into technical details,  it will quickly be turned into a self runner.  the COP will not be 1.02 or 2.5,  it will be 200 or 1000.  the amount of great minds that are out there that have read thousands of these forums,  and would never post a thing are people like me with a garage full of failed magnet motors and oscilloscopes and boxes of test models.  this is not the real deal.  i am confident.  however i will not waist any more of your time,  as i am not too interested in a debate.  best of luck to you.

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[htert2020]

By no Back EMF, do you mean the return voltage spike when the Toroid is switched off or
do you mean the induced coil voltage by the passing magnets?
There is a big difference in these two "voltages".

I mean the effect of the passing rotor magnets' changing magnetic field on the current running through the toroidal wire. Because the magnets are moving, this represents a changing magnetic field experienced by the toroidal current. As a result, the toroidal current experiences a voltage that tries to move the electrons opposite to the direction that they're trying to move.

Therefore, the electrons experience a decrease in kinetic energy. That is, the electrons surrender or transfer energy to the rotor magnets in what can be thought of as a "mathematical transaction", if that makes any sense. This transfer of energy is what happens in a conventional motor.

But in the Orbo, there is no such energy transfer. If no energy transfers from the input circuit, then the energy is preserved in the input circuit. That saved energy can be used to power other things along the input circuit, such as, for example, a loopback generator that recharges the battery, so that the Orbo can basically run forever. It also means that 100% of the rotor torque energy is free and unbalances the conservation of energy equation.

You can't use a loopback generator on the input circuit in a conventional motor because energy will always be transferred from the toroidal current to the rotor torque. That lost energy is not recoverable for recycling into the loopback generator, which means that the input battery will eventually be depleted.

It is a misconception that energy is transferred from the toroidal current to the output torque in an Orbo. I strongly believe it is a misconception because an electric current, in the absence of all external forces (such as back-EMF), can neither transfer nor radiate energy into the environment -- except through resistance losses along the wire.

But don't just take my word for it:

(1) Ask any electrical engineer or college physics student who has studied electricity.

(2) Ask any college physics professor.

(3) Go on Wikipedia.org or research the Internet for basic electrical physics information.

(4) Review any ordinary college physics textbook.

So don't take my word for it. This is common knowledge. An electrical current flowing through a wire, in the absence of external electrical forces such as magnetic fields, cannot possibly dissipate energy except through negligible resistance losses along the wire. The energy in a current can only be transferred or dissipated due to resistance: Whether that resistance is back-EMF, wire resistance, a 20Kohm resistor, or the destination terminal of a battery. Typically, heat is generated during resistance, except for things like back-EMF, in which the energy is transferred to the rotor magnets.

The above mentioned misconception is the key to my thesis that 100% of the input energy from the battery is preserved. And 100% of the output torque energy of the rotor seemingly came from nowhere, which is free energy and violates the "law" of conservation of energy. This is the key to understanding exactly how the Orbo can generate not only an efficiency of greater than 100%, but much higher values approaching infinity.

Without fully understanding why Orbo is overunity, I predict that it will be very difficult to replicate the Orbo and the virtually limitless efficiency that is possible with the Orbo.

If I am wrong that zero energy is transferred from the toroidal current to the output torque, then someone please correct me and tell me exactly how that energy is being transferred using concepts that are consistent with and do not contradict already known electrical principles.

[Omega_0]

If I am wrong that zero energy is transferred from the toroidal current to the output torque, then someone please correct me and tell me exactly how that energy is being transferred using concepts that are consistent with and do not contradict already known electrical principles.

There has been a lot of confusion on whether any energy is transferred from the battery to the rotor, IMHO, the energy is not directly transferred, but some energy is needed in order for it to work, because it causes some imbalance or asymmetry, which provides a drive. This energy comes from battery and travels in these stages:

Stage 1: When the magnet is facing the core, it aligns the domains in its own direction, and some energy (Ec) is needed to re-align the domains back along the coil's direction, for unlocking the magnet, which gains KE in the process (lets call it Em = potential energy of the magnet at BDC).

Without this pulse the magnet will find itself in a potential well, with +ve potential on one side and -ve on the other, and will tend to stay at 0 potential (the TDC). What Ec is doing is, flattening one wall of the well to 0, to let the magnet escape. Exactly how much Ec is required to maintain Em ? No one knows, it depends on core material and magnet strength and air gap...

Stage 2: During the pulse, all energy goes in heating the coil (resistive heating = Eh). This cannot be recovered, but can be thought of as a kind of output from a heat engine point of view. So its not a loss, technically.

Stage 3: You can think of the domains as balls connected together with lossy springs. At the end of the pulse, the domains jump back to random positions (Bsat to Br), releasing the Ec back. This is the inductive collapse, which steorn is collecting and feeding back to the battery.

You can't collect all, because the springs are lossy and some energy is lost as heat and radiation. (Inductive loss = Es).

So total energy from the battery = Ec+Eh+Es. None of this appears at the output, but it is needed anyway. What appears at the output is Em. So efficiency (as we used to calculate in school) is:

n (classical) = Em/(Ec+Eh+Es),   which will be less than 1% if you measure it, so no OU here.

BUT, steorn says Eh is not driving the rotor (sure, I agree) and can be removed from the equation, and Ec can be collected back in a capacitor or the same battery. So:

n (steorn) = Em/Es,     which is 327%, as per the claim

Moreover Es is also not driving the rotor, so n = Em/0, infinite...

So you can say that Ec is driving the rotor indirectly, but it is not lost and can be reused again and again. You must have noticed that everything is theoretical here, all in thin air. If it turns out that Em is always less than Ec, n will fall below 100%, even if you collect it all.

No one has shown real measurements of Em, Ec, Eh, Es etc, including steorn. No amount of reasoning and argument is going to answer the question Em>=Ec? Only experiment.
So far the leading replicators, JLN, TK , Clanzer and others have not shown any meaningful measurements. Thus, whether orbo is ou or not is an open question, don't try to settle it with theory please. Start building.

[exnihiloest]

If the voltage and current doesn't drop on the toroidal coil when a load is put on the pickup coil, then the magnetic interactions are decoupled.
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It would be true if the toroid coil was an ordinary inductance with constant L. It is not the case.
The pulse saturates the core so L and µ are low, and also the magnetic field that has built up. Then we can think that most of the energy provided by the pulse is stored in the ferrite as internal energy of saturation, and not in the whole magnetic field across the toroid. When the pulse is switched off, the collapse of the magnetic field desaturates the core which in turn moderates the collapse of the field, avoiding strong back emf in the toroid coil.
If we keep the hypothesis of the coupling, this flux change induces current in the pickup coil which reciprocally induces opposing flux in the toroid coil. The desaturation process depends on the resultant flux. There is a feed back between the desaturation and the flux change, so the coupling between pickup coil and ferrite coil is unnoticeable from the electric viewpoint of the toroid coil circuit.
Now the remaining question is: when there is no load on the pickup coil, where goes the desaturation energy (lost as heat?)? It would be interesting to monitor the temperature.

[Airstriker]

In A 7 the yellow trace is the demagnetization trace and the blue trace is the magnetization trace.  In Episode 6 the colors representing each trace were reversed.  So what, that don't mean anything, lol.  In Episode 7 the Yellow trace for Dmag = 37.6v and Blue trace for Mag = -8.4v  Then the voltmeter for Dmag = 35.2v and for the Mag = -9.5v.  The scope traces and the voltmeters are pretty much in agreement with each other.

Are you saying both the scope traces and the voltmeters are wrong?  LOL.  Naudin thinking about Zaev's theory caused him to get the voltages reversed? LOL.  For one thing there is a difference between a theory that has no experimentation to back it and a theory that has experimentation to back it. How can we show you the updated scope shots when there is no updated scope shot or even a need for an updated scope shot?  This is getting really comical and you're really showing your true colors and motivations here.  It's time to get the spray out.

GB

GB before you take out you troll spray again and spray it at people go to school and learn to read.
Where did I say anything about colors? Where did I say that the Voltmeters and scopes are showing wrong values?
I just asked you - go to episode 6 and read what is written in the scope shots.
How can the reality change in Episode 7 if nothing has really changed in the circuit other than additional rectification?
The only thing I'm saying is: The scope shot you can see in the Episode 7 has wrong labels on it. The blue trace is the demagnetization phase. The yellow trace is the magnetization trace. And yes now I'm talking about colors.
I asked you for some facts that can deny this and you spray your troll shit at me. Can somebody deny what I said with pure facts ?