STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

@billmehess,

Are you saying that they have demostrated OU but we do not have the necessary equipment to verify that?

That's correct. Someone has to carry out independently the exact same measurements they've shown and that'll settle the matter. Unfortunately, no one, as far as I know, has the necessary equipment to do that and that's why Steorn are open to attacks from interested parties. These adversaries are pushing as much as they can, as seen, trying to destroy the effort. The stakes are too high to allow that OU pursuit to continue.

Mind you, however, that at this stage Steorn's device is far from allowing a practical application. It only has scientific value and  that mostly because they were able to demonstrate definitively OU. Other, earlier, devices are also OU probably but thus far I haven't seen such sophisticated  research and proof as that of Steorn.

Steorn's device (eOrbo) is not practically applicable because larger part of the input energy which is 100% recoverable is in the form of heat and cannot be converted directly into anything usable. The OU effect is found when that 100% recoverable Joule heat is subtracted from the rest of the input energy and what remains is compared with the energy obtained. The mentioned difference is the only amount of input energy that goes for spinning the rotor (obviously, the Joule heating cannot be used for spinning the rotor). Experiment (Steorn's experiment) shows, however, that that said difference, comprising the only input energy used for turning the rotor, is three times less than the measured output energy when the rotor turns. That's a clear proof of OU. Not practically applicable at the moment but real.

[Omnibus]

Like I said, had we had Steorn's high-end equipment we might've already had conclusive answers regarding Paul Sprain's and Adams (and its replicas such as Bedini's and eOrbo) motors but also regarding this: http://www.fuellesspower.com/6_Gravity2.htm. That latter device is a similar brute-force (as opposed to self-sustaining) device as the already mentioned but only uses gravity and no permanent magnets. It kills me when I realize it's only money that's preventing our community (the OU community) to get to the bottom of all this and it's been dragging on for years in the fringes of science. Steorn have it but they are driven by other agendas (business) and science isn't on their list of priorities.

Of course, speaking of gravity and a self-sustaining device based on gravity Bob Kostoff's, for one, would be the solution but he isn't forthcoming either. Neither is Sjack Abeling. Sticky wicked.

[gmeast]

@billmehess,
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Steorn's device (eOrbo) is not practically applicable because larger part of the input energy which is 100% recoverable is in the form of heat and cannot be converted directly into anything usable. The OU effect is found when that 100% recoverable Joule heat is subtracted from the rest of the input energy and what remains is compared with the energy obtained.
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Hi all,

On the contrary.  Heat is one of the most practical energies to use.  If you are tool cold, it's nice warm up.  If you're too warm, you can use heat to cool off ... anyone with a propane refrigerator knows that mechanism.

LENR, LANR or Cold Fusion will eventually face the same issues.  Anomalous heat near room temperature results in a small delta(t) (temperature differential) and is difficult to implement in a heat engine but nonetheless useful in place of burning fossil fuels in other applications.

It just might turn out that the only practical uses for OU systems will be to replace those in which we presently use a great deal of fossil fuel ... in systems we use to heat and cool our homes and workplaces. 

Who says an OU system needs to generate hundreds or thousands of brake-horsepower.  It can provide the equivalent in the forms of heating and cooling.  If it manifests around a spinning motor looking thingy at least you have a built-in circulating fan motor. tee hee

Greg

[Omnibus]

@gmeast,

Ultimately, you're right but in eOrbo case what is sought for is the motor application. The OU effect, small as it is, is showing there. Heat released when eOrbo works isn't anomalous.

If we are to consider any OU device as practical we already have one, proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be an OU device--the magnetic propulsor. Magnetic propulsor produces excess energy, although discontinuously, but it can find practical use. Who would deny using energy created "out of nothing", no matter how insignificant that might be? Well, of course, it would be much better to have excess energy produced continuously and preferably in large quantities. That would be even more practical, wouldn't it? Indeed, and that's why we're looking for devices such Kapanadze's, Adams' (eOrbo, Bedini), Paul Sprain's, Bob Kostoff's, Sjack Abeling's and what not. Unfortunately, so far we only have good quality OU results from Steorn and from nobody else. Thus, what is needed is third party verification of any of these claims abiding by the high standards of science so that these devices can enter the mainstream knowledge base of humanity and not only be treated as curiosities, at best.

[gmeast]

@gmeast,

Ultimately, you're right but in eOrbo case what is sought for is the motor application. The OU effect, small as it is, is showing there. Heat released when eOrbo works isn't anomalous.
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Hi again,

Yes you're right.  "anomalous" = " Deviating from the normal or common order, form, or rule" is maybe not correct terminology.  In CF research there is the joule heating and then there is the excess heating  that the joule heating can in no way account for.  That excess is currently termed "anomalous" in that research.

I have yet to see any electrical 'in' vs work or electrical 'out' with the Orbo and according to the information out there, they (at Orbo) are leaving that up to whoever license$ the technology.  It's just going to be another case of building a career off of another observed phenomenon.

BTW: Please steer me to details about the "magnetic propulsor."  I've done several topic searches hear and on the 'net' and get nothing.

Thanks in advance,

Greg