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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Freezer

Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
So why don't YOU do the experiments.  Hook up any Bedini motor or Joule Thief or whatever your favourite flavour of pulsing inductor circuit you want and measure the power supplied by the battery compared to the power you get from the pulsing inductor.  In all cases you will find the output power is less than the input power, and you produce heat.  The output power plus the heat will equal the input power.

MileHigh

All cases huh?  So I guess you have built every single pulsing circuit that could ever be conceived and tested all these without success?  You are pretty damn good!

Quote from: MileHigh on December 22, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
"Radiant energy" is just a buzz word to get you excited and induce you to believe in something that's not there.  You can prove for yourself that it is not there if you really want to.

MileHigh

Sorry I don't do debunking, I build to make things work, not to prove things don't work, we have a team of debunkers for that, to tell us how it can't work, how it's not possible, and how it will never be done.  Same with people who said it was impossible to build a rocket and travel to the moon.

gravityblock

Quote from: IceStorm on December 22, 2009, 02:15:34 AM
Its only true if both motor have the same load, without load , the RPM mean absolutely nothing. Rotoverter is a perfect example of that.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

If both motors have coils with the same load on the battery, then the RPM is relative in both systems and is not absolutely nothing.  A coil is a load on the battery, is it not?  This means both motors in my example have the same load!

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

IceStorm

Quote from: gravityblock on December 22, 2009, 02:33:56 AM
If both motors have the same coils, then it has the same load.  A coil is a load on the battery, is it not?  This means the RPM is relative in both systems and is not absolutely nothing.

GB

No its not a load for the battery, in reality , under NO LOAD , if the coil is a ideal one (no loss) it cost you nothing if you put a sin wave on it, what go in = what come back , its basic electronic for inductor with alternating current. but keep in mind that my example is for a NO LOSS coil , in real world you have lost because of the resistance of the wire but not as large as you think. Its why i said to you that you need a load on a motor to know the power you can extract form it and compare it with another one.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

EDIT : look here , will be a good start for you  to understand inductor http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_3/2.html

gravityblock

@IceStorm,

The inductance of an inductor is comprised of two components. The first is the self-inductance and the second is the intrinsic inductance (some call it the internal inductance).

Classical theory claims Intrinsic inductance is a linear function of wire length and independent of wire diameter. According to the classical understanding of inductance, if we construct two circular loops of wire, both with the same loop shape, but with different wire gauge, then both should have the same inductance. But this is not the case and can be seen in the results below.  Since the thickness of wire does affect the intrinsic inductance, then the classical model for intrinsic inductance is incorrect.  Here is the reference showing classical understanding of inductance is not right, http://www.distinti.com/docs/apoce.pdf in section 1 and 2 of the pdf document.

48 inch       Area (sq. in)       26 AWG wire                22 AWG wire
perimeter                            (Measured)                  (Measured)
shapes
--------------------------------------------------------------
Circle         183                   2253nH                        2055nH
Square       144                   2144nH                        1950nH


Also, the magnetic field around a moving charge is not toroidal or donut shaped as taught.  Simple experiments shows the magnetic field is spherical around the moving charges.  I could go on and on about how classical theory has it wrong and is incomplete also.  Classical theory can't even get the basic stuff right, and simple experiments clearly shows this.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.