STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

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No its not a load for the battery, in reality , under NO LOAD , if the coil is a ideal one (no loss) it cost you nothing if you put a sin wave on it, what go in = what come back , its basic electronic for inductor with alternating current. but keep in mind that my example is for a NO LOSS coil , in real world you have lost because of the resistance of the wire but not as large as you think. Its why i said to you that you need a load on a motor to know the power you can extract form it and compare it with another one.

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IceStorm

So, according to you, you can take a coil and use it as an electromagnet without it draining the battery?  I don't think so, lol.  We're not talking about transformers here.  These are two different things we're talking about.

The motor in my example where the coil is continuously energized from the battery is our control experiment to let us know how long the battery can maintain the system at a certain RPM with a continuous output from the battery.

I guarantee you that it takes energy to run a conventional motor at idle speed with no external load on it that is greater than the small loss due to the resistance of the wire.  Even when it's at idle speed, it is converting electrical energy into mechanical energy and this mechanical energy produces a CEMF that is against the EMF driving the motor and this increases the amount of energy that is consumed way above the small losses due to the resistance of the wire.


GB

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Here's a helpful circuit:

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-inductkick-snub.html

But it needs an extra diode to keep the capacitor from discharging.

Steorn is right about ohmic losses. All the current that is flowing after the current has reached its maximum is lost irreversibly, as this portion cannot be recycled. This is why it's useful to preferably allow the action to happen during the still linear rise time of the current so most of the inductive energy can be recycled.

The Lindemann motor makes good use of this:

http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html

Thank you for the link. It is very interesting. Do you know of any circuits though that put the flyback current not in a seperate capacitor but back in the original battery?

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From TK
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM
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There's something fishy about that Alsetalokin guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM

Chet

[powercat]

Hi Chet
well his set up is different to Steorns, though TK is the only one posting test videos at the moment,
here is some more information from that video.

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Alsetalokin, visiting scientist, shows the "cancellation" of EMF produced by a spinning magnet rotor in a toroidal coil when the coil is energized.

TK: This effect is claimed to be one of the key factors in an "Orbo Electromagnetic Interaction".

AL: Yes, that's right.

It certainly is interesting, and it's not that hard to demonstrate, it turns out. Not that anybody watching Sean's demo on Saturday would have gotten that impression. The Waterways demo did not illustrate the phenomenon that Sean wanted to show, as my 4 previous videos have demonstrated. However, this demonstration that I do here with a toroidal coil and a moving magnet rotor does actually demonstrate the effect.

As you can see, the moving magnets do generate EMF in the coil; when the coil is energised with a DC current, the magnitude of the EMF generated by the magnets decreases, as shown on the oscilloscope.

What is yet to be determined is whether the EMF is actually decreasing as a result of "shielding", or being smoothed out by the battery, acting much like a capacitor to smooth ripple.

This EMF in the coil is a consequence of the moving magnets; it is the CEMF that occurs when a motor is under power. You can see that the toroidal coil does "feel" the magnets; certainly the EMF in the coil is pronounced. The EMF indicated when the battery is in the circuit shows much less ripple from the moving magnets, and is mostly from the battery itself.

Whether this effect can actually be demonstrated in a motor driven by the toroid, with the motor under power, is a story for a different day.

So, Sean McCarthy, I suppose I owe you a mild apology. I thought Steorn had absolutely nothing of interest, much less of value, but at least this phenomenon is interesting.

Cheers, next round's on you.
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