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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Bruce_TPU

Quote from: Jimboot on January 10, 2010, 12:57:40 AM
Got the coil switch circuit working now. 0.3mm wire 100 turns

Jimboot,

Great!  Thank you, that helps a bunch!  I am using a different circuit to start, but will be trying several. 

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

captainpecan

@Gravity,

Nice work...  I'm a bit curious though, I can't quite make out the video that well, but is that a reed switch arcing that brightly?  Was this just a quick test run, and no recovery circuit yet?  Just curious, because if that is in fact the reed switch arcing so strong, unless you have got some extra to spare, I would modify that circuit pretty quick and extinguish that arc as much as possible!  Good work though, and those are some interesting anomolies you've got going on there.  Just don't overload your tv converter box on accident, or your GF won't let you build motors anymore, lol...

gravityblock

Quote from: captainpecan on January 10, 2010, 01:17:53 AM
@Gravity,

Nice work...  I'm a bit curious though, I can't quite make out the video that well, but is that a reed switch arcing that brightly?  Was this just a quick test run, and no recovery circuit yet?  Just curious, because if that is in fact the reed switch arcing so strong, unless you have got some extra to spare, I would modify that circuit pretty quick and extinguish that arc as much as possible!  Good work though, and those are some interesting anomolies you've got going on there.  Just don't overload your tv converter box on accident, or your GF won't let you build motors anymore, lol...

That is a homemade mechanical reed switch I made.  It probably cost 0.25 cents to make this switch and will last much longer than a normal reed switch.

I have no recovery circuit yet and I'm not really concerned at this moment about burning these cheap homemade switches out.  In fact it's been running for awhile now and the switch is just fine.  I will try Ossie's trigger coil down the road and work on the recovery circuit along with adding more toroid coils and optimizing the whole system.  Still a lot of work to be done here.

Here's a video I followed on making the homemade reed switch for pennies, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC8-o1jm5Zo  I modified this process slightly to make it even more durable.

The arcing may be the cause of turning my webcam on/off and interfering with the digital off-air antenna, but it's really hard to believe because my off-air antenna is outside and a good distance from this motor.  I sure would like to know the exact cause of this.

[Edit:]  I can't believe how cool this coil is with the motor running.  It feels to the touch as if it wasn't even being used.  I can't detect any heat coming from it at all and it's been running continuously for about 15 minutes now.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gotoluc

Quote from: captainpecan on January 10, 2010, 12:05:15 AM
@ Ossie, great stuff!  Looks like your drifting, but in a good way!

@ all,
A couple interesting things to note from Steorn's argument with TK:

1st...  When asked to replace the battery with a capacitor, Sean gave a response that made no sense... "Not as easy as you may think - we need a pretty instant current responce (due to the rotational speed), hence the 'deep' battery."
....  WTF, this makes no sense.  Why would he post a reply like that?  Everybody knows caps are WAY faster at pushing instant current than any battery I've ever heard of!  There are a trillion other responses he could have had to that question, but this was not a response I expected.

2nd... Check out this quote... "As for the delay - there is no delay, there is a current rise, its very slow, thats due to the core material that we use."
....  This would certainly indicate that they DO NOT use normal core material for their toroidal coils.

I'm more confused than ever about Orbo now.  I get the feeling that either Sean is just playing dumb, or they are trying to throw off any replicators.  Either way is fine, it's their discovery, and they are releasing it at their own speed.  It's just weird responses from Sean is all I'm saying.

Hi captainpecan,

I like the way you share your observations :)

I don't think Sean is trying to throw off replicators. As a matter a fact I found him to be very patient with TK and found TK to be a little had on Sean when he is trying to help before the official release.

Anyways, I think what Sean was trying to communicate to TK about the deep battery is I think at the time TK was running his Orbett on a depleted AA battery and we all know that a high Amp hour rated D cell will have much more instant amp delivery then a depleted AA battery. So don't expect to have Orbo results TK! .... what do you think of that possible explanation?

I think it's now also clear that the Orbo effect is based on many parameters to be very exact. Even they have a had time with it! so that goes to show that it's a delicate balance act.  So core material will be chosen for correct size, hysteresis and permeability to work with the chosen magnets, air gap, chosen space between magnets at operating RPM and I haven't even mentioned coil or switching characteristics.

If someone can achieve a working replication of the real Orbo effect before they release more information then that person deserves much credit for their accomplishment.

I'm not building a replication but more like Ossie slowly testing one parameter at a time to better understand what could be the Orbo effect before building.

If I find something worth sharing I'll post a video.

@Ossie, great experiment as usual mate ;D... thank you and everyone for sharing.

Luc

Jimboot

Quote from: captainpecan on January 10, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
Way to go Jimboot!  It feels good to get your first project running doesn't it!  Keep it up!
Thanks
@callanan 1st circuit with the reed switch was my fist working circuit.... ever   :) Ossie's detailed vids & diagrams made it easy for even a noob like me. I couldn't get the same transistors (pn100 & 200) so I used BC337 for the 100 & C32816 for the 200. Doesn't seem to go as fast as the reed circuit but I'm thinking that is the transistors.