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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on January 13, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Yes your right except they are also occurring at a faster rate so the input is constant!

"This is kindergarten stuff and you're not even understanding the elementary truths.  You're still drinking milk."

What are you saying, I agree with Striker almost totally. The RPM and shorter pulse concept is a common mistake. It is a duty cycle, it is constant at any frequency.

The input energy will be less at higher RPM.  Compare the total input energy of one complete turn in the rotor at a low RPM to the total input energy of one complete turn in the rotor at a high RPM and you will see there was less input energy put into the system at a higher RPM than at a lower RPM.

The duty cycle is not constant, and it will change with the frequency.  In fact, the duty cycle is the inverse of the frequency in this case.  Higher frequency equal shorter duty cycle.  Lower frequency equal longer duty cycle.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

captainpecan

@airstriker,
Oh believe me, I've read every single post in this thread, and did not ignore any.  I just did not comment much on yours because it was pretty much restating what I was already working on.  Awesome catch though on the magnet strength matching Pauls Metglass theory!

@Paul,
Gotta give ya props on this one man.  There are just simply to damn many coincidences here to not give metglass a try.  I think you've got it nailed down pretty good!  Looks like I'm ordering some for myself now!

Has anyone figured out what gauge wire they are using yet?  I am guessing it's about 23, but I'm just not sure.  I used 26 on mine, and it just seems they are using thicker than that for sure.  I'm beginning to wonder if the wire gauge they are using is just simply chosen depending on the core.  I think they are just using the largest wire they can, while still fitting the number of turns they want on the core.  I am leaning towards believing they are using thicker wire to cut down resistance also, as someone else has just stated.

Great work all!!!  I can see a valid replication in the near future!

Bruce_TPU

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 13, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Brilliant post Julian.  And a great catch on the .5 T of the magnets matching the saturation point of the core that PL deduced.  I am ordering tomorrow morning.  I received in my others, at 125 permeability, laughable.  I was following JLN labs.  I think you have this figured out!  IMHO

Keep going...LOL

Bruce

Julian,

It also makes me think that this is the basis for the "original" non electrical version of orbo.  matching the magnets to the core, one could almost picture an original orbo, before the e-orbo version... ;)

Just thinking through this.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

downunder

I'd just like to add my 2 cents here... please feel free to ignore me if i make no sense.  ;D

First, nobody seems to have pointed out yet that the nearly 1 henry inductance comes from multiple toroids in series, so each individual toroid would be a smaller value.  This may mean something regarding core material, but i'm no expert on this.  :P

Second, the input energy is constant at all speeds as can be seen by the constant voltage and current traces with a constant duty cycle.  However, if the collapsing field is recovered (bedini style), then pulse width determines how much of that input energy can be recovered and sent back to the battery.

Just a couple of things I thought I might have enough understanding of to say something... sorry if i'm mistaken.  ;)

P.S. The duty cycle does not change with frequency or RPM... if you don't believe me just check this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_cycle

gravityblock

Quote from: captainpecan on January 13, 2010, 11:52:10 PM
Has anyone figured out what gauge wire they are using yet?

It's been suggested to me by someone else that the gauge of wire should be able to handle twice the amount of current in the wire.  This may be a good starting point.  So the wire should be able to handle 20,000mA.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.