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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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gravityblock

@Lumen and all:

I think the dual magnets can be like or opposite poles with the Metglas core.  It all depends on the orientation of the coils and could be the reason for the different types of configurations we have seen.  This Metglas core changes everything, it really does.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

leonirz

Now I understand how ORBO works:

Convencional Motors:

1) Have BACK EMF
2) It is good when the motor have no mecanical load, because with it the electrical current is very small
3) When apply a mechanical load to motor, the BACK EMF go down, it increase electrical current throught the coils of motor

ORBO:

1) Have no BACK EMF!
2) The electrical current is same with or without mechanical load!
3) The inductance of coils is very hi to increase impendance of coils. That makes the pulsed current go down (without need BACK EMF)!
4) When apply a mechanical load to motor, the electrical current steel determined by impedance of coils, and it is constant, fixed in a hi value to get a small electrical current (pulsed) throught motor.

Sorry my poor english  :D

gravityblock

Quote from: leonirz on January 15, 2010, 07:45:29 AM
Now I understand how ORBO works:

Convencional Motors:

1) Have BACK EMF
2) It is good when the motor have no mecanical load, because with it the electrical current is very small
3) When apply a mechanical load to motor, the BACK EMF go down, it increase electrical current throught the coils of motor

ORBO:

1) Have no BACK EMF!
2) The electrical current is same with or without mechanical load!
3) The inductance of coils is very hi to increase impendance of coils. That makes the pulsed current go down (without need BACK EMF)!
4) When apply a mechanical load to motor, the electrical current steel determined by impedance of coils, and it is constant, fixed in a hi value to get a small electrical current (pulsed) throught motor.

Sorry my poor english  :D

I think you got most of that correct, at least the main idea.  I can't believe more people aren't catching onto this.  They have shown us that the Orbo is an OU device in many different ways already.  I will list them.

1)  It runs in the same direction regardless of the input polarity from the battery.

2)  The energy gain in inductance.

3)  No CEMF.

4)  The voltage and current doesn't drop when a load is put on it (No BEMF due to no CEMF inducing a current that is in opposition to the EMF of the battery)

If you have a BEMF, then you don't have OU because this means you have a CEMF.  It's that simple.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

lumen

Quote from: exnihiloest on January 15, 2010, 07:19:15 AM
Indeed we have to remember that the saturation is the result of all superposing fields, i.e. not only that one from the pulsed coil (which is perfectly toroidal) but also this one of the magnet (which is not toroidal and induces assymetry in permeability along the toroid).
In a symmetrical manner, the field lines from the moving magnet penetrate the toroid core through the sections of lower permeability, follow the sections of higer permeability, and emerges again from sections of lower permeability, looping outside the toroid core. Naturally this induces emf in the coil.
We have a conventionnal interaction between magnet and coil, thanks to the magnetic flux linking the toroid core to the magnet. The flux amplitude is equal to the flux in the highest permeability sections of the toroid minus the flux in the lowest ones.
No mystery, no paradox, not OU, all is well explained by the physics laws. The only unusual thing but perfectly explained, is the way in which Lenz's law applies because the flux variation through the coil depends also on the permeability change. But it is not new. Magnetic parametric devices were already built in the 19th century. The physicists team having check the device last year and concluded there was nothing anormal were perfectly right. All tests I carried on confirm the facts.

Exactly!
But because this all happens as the magnet approaches the core when the coil is disconnected, the CEMF is never realized.
When the coil IS energized, the field in the core is symetrical with the strongest connections to the magnets at points 90 degrees to the electrically induced field. This forces any CEMF to minimal values from which point on the magnets have virtually no affect on the core.

EOS

lumen

Quote from: gravityblock on January 15, 2010, 07:41:19 AM
@Lumen and all:

I think the dual magnets can be like or opposite poles with the Metglas core.  It all depends on the orientation of the coils and could be the reason for the different types of configurations we have seen.  This Metglas core changes everything, it really does.

GB

@GB
I was thinking that also but mostly for core orientation. If the core is laying down, the rotor poles should be the same, and when the core is upright, the rotor poles should be opposite.

This would cause the correct flow through the core in each case.