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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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PaulLowrance

#1805
January 16, 2010, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: gravityblock on January 16, 2010, 11:17:17 AM
Why you can't have a coil radius that is 0.5 cm in thickness when the total radius is 3.0 cm.  Lol

Once again, go to the calculator link and take a look at the illustration.  It clearly shows you how the coil radius and toroid radius is calculated.  If you follow these instructions then it is possible.

Paul said "Okay, there's something very different with what they call coil radius."  Don't blame me for what they call coil radius. lol

The toroid would be 0.5 cm in thickness when the toroid radius is 3.0 cm and the coil radius is 2.5 cm.

You prove once again you have poor reading comprehension.

GB

eh hem,  ;)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg223144#msg223144

PaulLowrance

#1806
January 16, 2010, 11:39:57 AM

If it helps any, here's the data that I used to verify the following inductance calculator was in agreement with real measurements

http://www.mantaro.com/resources/impedance_calculator.htm#toroid_inductance

Calculator:
Toroid height (length) = 750 mils (1 mil = 0.001 inches)
Outer diameter = 1932 mils
Inner diameter = 1250 mils
Permeability = 5000
Number of turns = 1000
+++++++++++
Results = 8294602114.270 nH = 8.29 Henry

Real measurements taken by Amidon:
Part number = FT-193A-J
OD = 1.932 inches (1932 mils)
ID = 1.250"
Height = 0.750"
Inductance = 7.435 Henry

gravityblock

#1807
January 16, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
@PaulLowrance:

I also came up with the same results with the 1,000,000 permeability using the calculator.  I'm really tired of AirStriker trying to prove me wrong in every thing I say and do.  There was nothing wrong in the figures I provided as far as being possible, and they were close to the same dimensions of the cores Steorn is using.  At least I am trying to make an effort in figuring this puzzle out.  I've released videos, provided links, trying to replicate and sharing my results, etc.

What has he really contributed here.  Absolutely nothing except argumentative statements.


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Bruce_TPU

#1808
January 16, 2010, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2010, 11:19:53 AM

Hi Bruce,

There are two types of 2714A material for non-custom orders. One is transversely annealed, which has a permeability of 80,000. The other longitudinally annealed, which has a permeability of 1 million.

This page tells you that MAGAMP is square loop -->

http://www.metglas.com/products/page5_1_6_4.htm


This page that shows the 1 million permeability of an annealed 2714A core -->

http://www.metglas.com/products/page5_1_2_6.htm


I went through this whole mess with Metglas years ago. It's confusing, lol.

Thanks Paul!  I feel a lot better now...LOL 

I found the following, on your link and it explains why they said what they said.

Maximum DC Permeability (µ): 
Annealed (High Freq.)
1,000,000
As Cast
>80,000

That was where they came up with their other permeability number.   :)

I think we should be good to go!  I am making some mechanical changes to my entire set up in preperation of all of the arrival of ordered coils and magnets.  Precision is going to be needed...


Thanks,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

PaulLowrance

#1809
January 16, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: gravityblock on January 16, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
@PaulLowrance:

I also came up with the same results with the 1,000,000 permeability using the calculator.  I'm really tired of AirStriker trying to prove me wrong in every thing I say and do.  There was nothing wrong in the figures I provided as far as being possible, and they were close to the same dimensions of the cores Steorn is using.  At least I am trying to make an effort in figuring this puzzle out.  I've released videos, provided links, trying to replicate and sharing my results, etc.

What has he really contributed here.  Absolutely nothing except argumentative statements.


GB

Thanks, we definitely need more people like you guys in this thread!!  The workmanship in this thread alone is amazing. Heck, I'm lucky to drill one straight hole per day. So my wobbly 1.1" orbo attempt's not going to do much, lol.




Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 16, 2010, 11:51:29 AM
Thanks Paul!  I feel a lot better now...LOL 

I found the following, on your link and it explains why they said what they said.

Maximum DC Permeability (µ): 
Annealed (High Freq.)
1,000,000
As Cast
>80,000

That was where they came up with their other permeability number.   :)

I think we should be good to go!  I am making some mechanical changes to my entire set up in preperation of all of the arrival of ordered coils and magnets.  Precision is going to be needed...


Thanks,

Bruce

I agree. Makes sense. Now lets hope Steorn does not have hundreds of turns hidden in their toroid.

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