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[Edit:]  There is a saturation point where the core starts to lose attractiveness (around 0.45T), a saturation point where the core is no longer attractive (0.57T, Bsat), and a saturation point where additional flux can no longer be held within the core (1.23T, Saturation Induction).  This is how I'm looking at it.

In the Finemet, 1.23T / 0.57T = 2.15 and 1.23T / 0.45T = 2.73.  These numbers with the Finemet cores are close to the Cop > 2 claims by Steorn. 

In the Metglas, 0.57T(Bsat) / 0.57T (assuming the saturation induction is the same as the Bsat) = 1.0 minus electrical losses, air friction, friction in the bearings, etc. would put it below unity with the Metglas cores, or at unity/slightly above if the saturation induction is a little higher than 0.57, or if we calculate it with 0.45T with the Metglas.  I realize this may not be the correct way to figure this up and could be called pseudoscience, but the results are interesting nonetheless.  Why isn't the Finemet cores being discussed as a possible core material?  IMO, the Finemet has some interesting potential and shouldn't be ignored.

GB, interesting theory.
If I look to the B-H curve of Finemet then the saturation level shows 1.23 T.
Shouldn't that be 0.57 with your approach?

Also, how would one use the ratio Bindsat/Bsat to get the the extra energy out in your view? I.e. what would be the sequence of operation to benifit from the AB effect?

[gravityblock]

GB, interesting theory.
If I look to the B-H curve of Finemet then the saturation level shows 1.23 T.
Shouldn't that be 0.57 with your approach?

Also, how would one use the ratio Bindsat/Bsat to get the the extra energy out in your view? I.e. what would be the sequence of operation to benifit from the AB effect?

The B-H curve of Finemet is showing the saturation point of 1.23T which is the point where it can't hold anymore flux inside the core.  The 0.57T is when the material has 0% attraction and this doesn't end the B-H curve in the Finemet.  I'm not saying I'm right or wrong.  I just think it needs to be researched and not overlooked.

One such area is strong gradients (as used on the leading and trailing edges of the input energy pulses) and another is memory characteristic of materials (as in the nanocrystalline core materials and structure that freely localize the B-field and thus evoke the Aharonov-Bohm effect and possibly needs a much higher Bindsat than the Bsat in order to benefit.  Nanocrystalline or layered crystalline cores may not be necessary and may only improve efficiency.  The wiki article I used as a reference says the affect has been noticed in carbon nanotubes, non-superconducting metallic rings, and nano rings.

Bruce_TPU mentions TB in the solid state thread and suggests the core material doesn't need to be a nanocrystalline material and steel could possibly be used and this would be inline with the Adams motor also, but he hasn't linked it to the Aharonov-Bohm effect yet, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8597.msg223948#msg223948

Once you start connecting the dots, then it's really hard to overlook this.  The dots are the Aharonov-Bohm effect, TB MEG based on this affect, nanocrystalline and other cores,  rise time in current according to Steorn and TB, possible energy gain in inductance due to a much higher Bindsat than the Bsat of the material, if the effect is present in the material.  Both Sean and TB refers to modifying time frames and pulling this extra energy into the core from space/time.  If one reads all of the reference materials I first provided when I mentioned this, then the dots are easy to connect in my view.  This has to do with the uncurled A potential outside of the core of the curled B field localized inside the core.  k4zep has even mentioned the uncurled A, I believe.  It's time to start connecting the dots, and I think all of the dots have something in common.

Wheeler clearly pointed out that mass and space continually interact. Quoting Wheeler: "Space acts on matter, telling it how to move. In turn, matter reacts back on space, telling it how to curve."

The extra energy that is pulled into the core more than likely adds mechanical energy to the system while utilizing less input energy to do so.  In the ssOrbo, you won't have the mechanical gain, but the additional energy that is pulled into the core will follow the flux path of the ferromagnetic materials which would be beneficial.

A lot of this stuff is over my head at the moment.  It will take a little time before I am able to wrap my mind around it better.  I understand the main concept, but not all of the small details, etc.  This is why I'm trying to bring this to everyone's attention.  The worst case scenario in researching this material and effect is possibly learning a little more.


GB

[Airstriker]

Hi GB,
Just please write an email to the producer of this core and he will simply tell you it's a mistake. As for the rest I will just stay quiet ;]

[gravityblock]

Hi GB,
Just please write an email to the producer of this core and he will simply tell you it's a mistake. As for the rest I will just stay quiet ;]

If the magnets are pre-saturating the cores at 0.47T, then do you really think 10,000mA in the pulse with a highly permeable material is only going to create 0.10T flux density to saturate the core at 0.57T where it is no longer attractive?  No, the 10,000mA (10amps) in a highly permeable core is going to create a much higher flux density inside the core to saturate it at much higher values than we're currently talking about.

Take a look at this post, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg222441#msg222441 .  It says, "the N25 is rated at 0.98-1.02 T.  Divide this by half and we have 500mT (0.5T) on one end...a perfect match!" 

The 0.98T-1.02T is much closer to 1.23T than the half on one end we've been working with.  The field strength of the dual magnets with opposite poles won't be one half when they're TDC with the core and the pulse would only need to saturate the core with 0.23T with the Finemet as compared to the 0.10T with the metglas while taking only one end into consideration relative to the core.

I've asked this question before and nobody cares to answer it.  How much flux density will 10amps with any given core provide in flux density to help saturate it so it is no longer attractive?  Answering this question in addition to the proper strength of magnets will help to determine what core is being used and nobody cares to answer this.  The 10amps in the pulse has been totally left out of the equation.

It doesn't matter if it's a mistake or not.  If it's not a mistake, then the 10amps pulse in addition to the magnets could be giving it a total of 1.23T flux density inside the core for a Finemet core.

The questions I am asking now and have asked earlier in this thread aren't being taken into consideration.  It's like the 10amps in the pulse is totally being ignored.  Everybody is trying it at relatively low amps compared to the 10amps from Steorn.  Even Paul is using lower amps in his Metglas core so he doesn't cause the core to flip so he can try to capture the BEMF.  There is good reason why Steorn is using higher amps and it has nothing to do with flipping it or not.  If it's being flipped at lower amps, then maybe it's not the correct core.

I don't see any true replication attempts.  The replication attempts I am seeing is people modifying the setup trying to improve on it or following their own ideas on trying to obtain the Orbo effect.  I have a feeling people are holding back the data on their experiments because they're not getting the expected results.  Of course not, because we're building and not replicating.

I give up.  This is a waste of time.  Sean was right in his statement about the people on their forum don't make up the scientific community.  I didn't agree with him before, but I do now.

I don't have all of the answers, and there are things I don't understand......but I do know when things aren't adding up correctly.


GB

[Airstriker]

If the magnets are pre-saturating the cores at 0.47T, then do you really think 10,000mA in the pulse with a highly permeable material is only going to create 0.10T flux density to saturate the core at 0.57T where it is no longer attractive?  No, the 10,000mA (10amps) in a highly permeable core is going to create a much higher flux density inside the core to saturate it at much higher values than we're currently talking about.

Sure but nobody has ever said that ORBO uses 10A! If you've figured that out from the battery that Steorn is using then you must know that 10000mAh battery doesn't mean that it must provide 10A current. I don't really think that it can even provide such a current without any harm to the battery itself.