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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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teslaalset

Quote from: Omega_0 on February 03, 2010, 07:25:23 AM
@Omni and teslaalset and all

Got the correct input trace in dummy data as well. In this attached file, you can simply change the R and L values (in red) to instantly see changes in input net energy. This is just to have an idea of how L & R affect the input. Its almost a virtual Orbo. :)

Of course, it is still a draft and there can be errors etc. I will try to refine it and make it work with realistic data as well.
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Omega,
For real simulation there are two complex issues to be incorporated which we didn't discuss yet:
- since we don't talk about DC but pulsed method, I and U are out of phase at some time instances. This means there is power factor at some time instances that should be taken into account.
- The L value will vary, due to the changing permeability in the toroid core.

To elaborate a bit more on the permeability:
At the steep vertical slope of the BH curve, permeability is very high, leading to extreem high L value
At the horizonal slope of the BH curve, permeability is close to 1, and therefore low L value

I think we need to agree first on what exactly is happening with the coil and its BH cycle in relation to the magnet position and the pulse being generated.
As a matter of fact it's even more complex, because the given BH curve is only valid in 2 dimensions, while the permanent magnets cause the dipoles to move in 3 dimensions.

PaulLowrance

Quote from: Jimboot on February 03, 2010, 01:54:16 AM
My nonrechargable battery has gained .03v today after running for 43 hours. Hoping to see the same results in my next Orbo  replication

As far as battery voltage going up, that's perfectly normal when a battery is used less; e.g., going from X*1.2 amps to X amps-- battery relaxation. 0.03V is actually very very mild battery relaxation. That can occur in less than a second.

The proper way to test a battery is to allow it at least 2 hours to rest disconnected before taking any  *meaningful* measurements.

That's why input & output measurements are so important.

futuristic

You can't say it perfectly normal for the battery voltage to go up after it has been running motor continuously for 43 hours.
If you think that that's normal please show me your motor that can achieve that. I for sure have not seen that in my life.

Frenky

PaulLowrance

Quote from: futuristic on February 03, 2010, 09:46:58 AM
You can't say it perfectly normal for the battery voltage to go up after it has been running motor continuously for 43 hours.
If you think that that's normal please show me your motor that can achieve that. I for sure have not seen that in my life.

Frenky

You didn't read my post. A motor running for 43 hours and then disconnected for a split second could easily rise far above 0.03V. Besides, jimboot has already said many times the voltage has dropped on other runs.

If he thinks it's excess energy then let him show the input output measurements.

PaulLowrance

A D-cell could run a low power motor over a year.

Lets be a bit more responsible and show input & output measurements. There should nothing to hide. I've shown mine!  :)