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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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LarryC

Quote from: Omnibus link=topic=8411.msg244846#msg244846 A=1276385514
@LarryC,

Never mind the resistor-only OU. As was seen after I got the current probe the apparent OU I was observing with the resistor was due to problems with the resistors used to measure the current (even the industry-standard precision shunt showed inductance component). Please try to compare the integrated momentary I*V values with I^2R of a no-load transformer in the frequency range between 200kHz and 1.5MHz. As seen in the last figure I posted here (which confirms qualitatively what I posted earlier when using the shunt) that is the frequency region where OU is observed.


Let's be a little more honest then that and not continue to mislead people about your other results. The resistor-only OU was only the tip of the iceberg that showed there was a problem. All of your OU graph were incorrect because for P, the amperage was being increased by a factor of 10 and then squared. I checked one of your other non-resistor excel.

I do agree that somehow you had some bouncing amperage values with the shunt, but I don't understand how anyone could get such results with a precision shunt. I know you stated that all the electrical professors and industry are wrong about using shunts, but that's just a totally unbelievable statement anywhere other than Omni world. Anyway it did not have near the distorted effect of the factor of 10 problem.

'(even the industry-standard precision shunt showed inductance component)'
Yes they do, but it is usually around 10nH or .00000001 Henry. Your transformers primary has around 1.5 Henry. So how could it possibly be a shunt inductance issue.

As far as testing 200kHz to 1.5MHz with a 60Hz core, I'll pass, but good luck with getting any worthy amperage out of that setup.


Regards, Larry

 



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Omnibus

@LarryC,

I'm as honest in reporting my results as I can possibly be. Everyone can see that by looking back at what I posted. The fact of the matter is that using a shunt is the misleading approach. The Hall effect current probe proved that. All in all, however, aside from the problems with measuring current with shunts and some inadvertent errors which were pointed to me by @Omega_0 and some I found myself and retracted, the OU effect I was reporting is confirmed by the studies with the current probe. Now I can conclude that OU in electrical devices is confirmed experimentally beyond a doubt. I will post more results as soon as I get ready which will provide more details of that finding. It takes time, though, and you have to bear with me.


exnihiloest

Quote from: Omnibus on June 14, 2010, 05:26:13 AM
...
the OU effect I was reporting is confirmed by the studies with the current probe.
...

It is not. Wrong methodology.