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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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broli

Quote from: Omnibus on July 01, 2010, 06:41:09 AM
Neither am I but we have to get to the bottom of this. To tell you the truth I trust Excel better because I see what I'm doing and exactly how I'm integrating. Now, in this file I've used 800kHz, 10Ohms and 50pF to make the time intervals more exact with respect to frequency -- one thing we have to be especially careful about is to integrate over full periods. Check it out.

REDACTED: Just replaced it with the corrected one.

Omnibus

@broli,

These two integrals in your sim are in fact the energy, not the power. Recall that the the time of the full period the energy out in most of the recent figures was significantly greater than the energy in. However, the slope of the energy out-time curve was higher that the slope of the energy in curve. Thus Pout/Pin > 1. Energy wise it will show at longer periods of time. @teslaalset was puzzled about this too. Hope he got it.

Omnibus

The best thing would be to have this solved analytically and not resort to numerical methods. However, I don't know how this can be done. We need a mathematician to help.

Omnibus

@broli,

Take a look at this. First, we have to ascertain that we're indeed dealing with one (or more; in this instance it is one) full period. Once we're sure in that, we look at the energy at the end of the period (after carrying out integration). As seen in the second figure, energy out at the end of the period is greater than the energy in at the end of this same period.

Omnibus

In fact, we're not interested in what happens with energy in between the period. As can be seen, within one period the energy which we designate as Ein is in fact fluctuating and while at times within the period more energy is spent at other times within the period some of it is returned. The energy out on the other hand should always be a gain and the fluctuations in it would only be due to the fluctuations in current. Therefore, the comparisons should always be made at the end of full periods.