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[Omega_0]

I have already posted the analytical equation for energy derived from the current and voltage equation for an RC circuit. This inherently includes the behavior of energy stored in the capacitor.

broli
If I'm not wrong you have plotted the curve from the equations, that's fine and I agree that when you define starting equation like that, the Ec is taken care of. What I was saying is that if you want to show OU, you must compute all possible energies in the closed system, and if the sum of all positive energies is equal to the sum of all negative ones, we have no "problem", and if its not then there remains unaccounted energy, which is a sign of OU. I hope you get what I said here. I have demonstrated that when you add up Ec to Er, everything is accounted for and there is no excess.

Suppose Ein1, Ein2... etc are sources of energy in the closed system and Eo1, Eo2..... etc are energies associated with various elements (say caps, resistors etc), then:

If (Ein1 + Ein2 + ...) < (Eo1 + Eo2 + .....) we have OU.

Can you show this with equations ?
And how come your plot shows positive slope while Omnibus's plot goes downhill ?

[teslaalset]

@teslaalset,

I was wondering if you could help in making an Excel sim of the theoretical data (say the 800kHz one) with the negative input slope. In that Excel file there is only one full cycle while, because of the minimal value of the slope, in order to see the crossing point with the output line there should be many many more cycles. The problem is that all this has to be done at the same short time difference the points in the one-cycle spreadsheet are plotted. You've shown amazing Excel skills, let alone the profound expertise in the subject, so I was thinking maybe you would wanna do it, if it's not too boring for you (and if it can be done at all, of course).

Sure.
I'll need some time to catch up reading, to see what exactly you want to be simulated though.

[Omnibus]

@Omega_0,

Can you derive this slope from the equations mathematically ? If you can, this will settle the matter in minutes.

Can't agree more. I've been saying this all along and also the need for a mathematician to help with this. That would be the ultimate.

Now, get this. Here are the theoretical data for 800kHz, 0.01Ohms and 44pF. Since I'm still having trouble with my Excel I was only able to plot, I believe around 30000 point. You may observe that at the beginning the input energy at the end of each half-cycle is farther away from the line of the output energy. As the end of the studied period (of ~30000 points) that distance becomes much shorter, indicating that eventually the input energy will fall below the output energy. That's a clear indication of OU existing in the very theory of electricity. Like I said, I don't hoe to work this out purely analytically, if that's at all possible or necessary.

P.S. Can't attach the Excel file -- too big even when compressed.

[Omega_0]

@Omega_0,

There is a massive misunderstanding of what Steorn have actually done. You're one of the very few that really know what's going on, at least experimentally and regarding the analysis of data. I've read so much crap on the subject even by self-proclaimed experts (and some of them, otherwise, seem not to be freshmen in the matters of electrical research) let alone zealous activists deliberately set up to destroy the field, that it's a breath of fresh air to see fine results such as yours.

I have a lot of experience both in mainstream science and in this field (why separate it from mainstream science?). There should be more people like you and this will make a big difference in the world. Unfortunately, many people are just blinded and this has hurt science and the world big time. You are not deluded. In fact you are one of the few who are not deluded even if at the end this turns out to be in error because you are honestly looking for the truth, untainted by phony dreams of personal gain.

As far as publishing goes (I have tens of peer-reviewed publications, so maybe I can utter an opinion on that) it is not true that yours is not original research. It is as original as can be notwithstanding that you should give credit in the publication to Steorn. Of course, if you still feel unconfident about the results you should try to perfect them as best you can. No one's perfect. Also, a scientist has the freedom to be wrong as long as he or she is honestly pursuing the truth. Those who try to turn such scientists into a laughing stock are a laughing stock themselves. Why should we give in to such rogues.

As to why Steorn aren't publishing, the answer is that the only concern they have is the bottom line. They have always insisted that they are not a science entity and that business underlies all their activities. That's sad but we can't do anything about it. The only thing we can do is to do the research and try to publish the results we think are worthy of presenting through the scientific channels.

Omnibus,
Thank you very much for such encouraging words. There are just a handful of people here on this forum who can appreciate those curves, and you are one of them.
About publishing you are right, it need not be a truth in order to put forth, it can be just an observation. The issue is, I feel this observation is little vague at this time due to crude instruments used and is not fit for consumption of PhDs. So lets wait a bit more, and hopefully you will have your rig up and running by that time.

When everything is polished and repeated umpteen times, we can show them to university professors and pro engineers for their reviews. And since you have good contacts, I will ask you to do this favor and show my data to all you feel are worthy. In fact you can show it now also to anyone who cares to provide an expert opinion. Its free (as in free air), it already there in the thread and I care least about my name to be joined with it.

What I really want is, people who have resources should be encouraged to check the Eorbo out. They are not doing it probably because of the shady approach of steorn, they don't think its serious. I hope my results shall convince at least some to go ahead and experiment and I hope these people are reading this now.

[Omnibus]

As a matter of fact we don't even need to plot graphs with so many points. The very fact that the there are theoretical conditions at which the input energy-time slope is lower (and can be even negative) compared to the output energy-time slope speaks for itself -- OU is inherent in the very theory of electricity itself.