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[Omnibus]

@bolt,

I have absolutely no interest in the practical aspect of OU. This is a matter of engineering and is the easy part. The difficult part is to convince the entity called Academia which is the only entity in society devoted to study how Nature functions. Academia is the only entity in society with the infrastructure, methods, finances, impact and so on that can promote and develop a correct picture of how Nature works. No company, even the wealthiest, even a conglomerate of the wealthiest companies can achieve such a goal let alone private enthusiasts in their garages. Therefore, if we cannot convince Academia in the reality of our claims all our efforts in the OU field are forsaken, no matter what heaters and how many bulbs we can light at home.

[bolt]

@bolt,

I have absolutely no interest in the practical aspect of OU. This is a matter of engineering and is the easy part. The difficult part is to convince the entity called Academia which is the only entity in society devoted to study how Nature functions. Academia is the only entity in society with the infrastructure, methods, finances, impact and so on that can promote and develop a correct picture of how Nature works. No company, even the wealthiest, even a conglomerate of the wealthiest companies can achieve such a goal let alone private enthusiasts in their garages. Therefore, if we cannot convince Academia in the reality of our claims all our efforts in the OU field are forsaken, no matter what heaters and how many bulbs we can light at home.

Rubbish! Academia is fully aware behind the scenes but they are also aware of who gives them the funding. Whenever there is an Outspoken person within the "club" he usually finds his funding is cut to zero next year ...or worse! This has happened over and over because at the top of the food chain are the elite and they have the money and they decide who gets the money to create a focal point away from the TRUTH. This happens within all facets from pure political agendas to global warming and pharmaceutical. Its not even a theory this happens its a fact! Everyone that has some breakthrough in the last 100 years is either, shunned, killed, paid off,bound under gagging orders, threatened, poisoned, jailed for some fictitious  crime, or technology becomes a "national security" issue and its locked away. Just look at the TPU and Kapanadaze for two perfect examples of many.

You need to see the big picture and see how we are totally controlled where OIL is already the NWO currency and has been for a long time. Its up to us to stop using oil and start applying real practical applications. You are wasting your time proving OU of course it real, its a commodity like air or water! Many times people have gone to the government with real OU devices, looped toys even Sweet Floyd thought he was doing the best thing to save the planet when he demonstrated his 2KW VTA but he soon found out the hard way! Ask John Bedini he has been told where the line in the sand ends.

So just use it to provide immense energy savings at first. Share it and open source it to make it better.

[Tenbatsu]

I have to agree wit Bolt; the best way to prove anything to anyone is to lead by example.  Attempting to force science or anything else onto another usually ends in failure.  The establishment, in all sectors of science and research, tends to hold onto the status quo no matter what.  This same pattern has been repeated throughout the history of mankind.  The only way to convince these people is to lead by example until overunity devices are too widespread to be ignored - at which point they will have to be generally accepted by Academia in fear of making themselves look inconsequential.

[Omnibus]

@bolt,

I think you're missing the point and are putting the cart before the horse. The self-sustaining devices are the engineering goal. You cannot start with the accomplished goal which needs infrastructure and finances to be reached. Like I said, no social entity can compare with the potential of Academia in that respect. To expect individual enthusiasts to reach that goal and start selling big devices without the help of such infrastructure is naive. Nothing substantial as technology has been achieved the way you're proposing. Microprocessors, memories, computer technology as a whole has been science first. We wouldn't have these without von Neuman's papers and the like. Lasers. Lasers have been science initially. Pure science. Nuclear technologies too. Transistors etc. -- science again has been the basis. Even brothers Wright's technical achievement has been foreseeable (for the honest researchers, not for the confused New York Times journalists) -- indeed, birds, bodies heavier than air, have been know to fly before brothers Wright. Name anything substantial technologically and you'll find out that it has been researched as pure science first. These technical achievements could have never happened without the stamp of approval by the Academia. This should be clear as day and we shouldn't try to deny it or think it can be circumvented.

As to whether or not OU has been proved, yes, it has been but not by the ones you are mentioning. I don't know of any Bedini claim that could stand serious scientific scrutiny. Not to speak about Kapanadze who isn't anything more than what Mylow is. By your standards Walter Torbay should also be one of those champions OU who have proved it. Bob Kostoff as well. Probably you would give as an example of someone who has achieved OU also that recent Dave from Iniana or that guy from Argentina uttering claims very similar to Bob Kostoff's. Or maybe Valeri Ivanov? And so on and so forth. No, they haven't proved anything yet that would satisfy the stringent criteria of Academia. Sorry to burst your bubble but that's the sad fact and we have to really do something to change that sorry state of affairs specifically targeting Academia. Nothing short of it. You're right in your analysis regarding the deplorable state Academia is in but that should by no means be accepted as a given but should be treated as a temporary anomaly that will have to go.

[shruggedatlas]

Rubbish! Academia is fully aware behind the scenes but they are also aware of who gives them the funding. Whenever there is an Outspoken person within the "club" he usually finds his funding is cut to zero next year ...or worse! This has happened over and over because at the top of the food chain are the elite and they have the money and they decide who gets the money to create a focal point away from the TRUTH. This happens within all facets from pure political agendas to global warming and pharmaceutical. Its not even a theory this happens its a fact! Everyone that has some breakthrough in the last 100 years is either, shunned, killed, paid off,bound under gagging orders, threatened, poisoned, jailed for some fictitious  crime, or technology becomes a "national security" issue and its locked away. Just look at the TPU and Kapanadaze for two perfect examples of many.

I agree with Omnibus.  Your view is unnecessarily conspiratorial.  So many people who have allegedly been "suppressed" are still out there, writing stuff.  You can't be suppressed and still be putting out information.  The fact is that most of these claims have not and cannot withstand real scientific scrutiny.  That is why they are marginalized.