Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[gotoluc]

Ok, here is my idea behind using litz...

Say we have 20awg mag wire and some 6 strand litz that is equal to 2 of those 20awg wires.

So we wind 2 20 awg wires together as a bifi. If we were to look at a cross section of those 2 wires, we can see that only a very small amount of each wires outer surfaces are in physical contact, and the rest of those surfaces are further away from each other.

lets call 1 of the 2 20 awg strands A and the other B.

Now the 6 strand litz, equal to 2 strands of 20awg, say equal resistance by length.  If we look at the cross section of the 6 strand litz, where half of the strands, are connected at the end of the windings to form 1 of the 20awg wires, and the other 3 strands are the other, sorting the strands so they alternate A and B strands rather than to have an A strand next to an A strand only.
Within that litz bundle, the first thing we should notice is that the surface area of the A and B strands in the litz is greater than the surface area of the 2 20 awg wires. The second is there are more contact areas within the litz of A and B strands than the 2 20 awg wires. 

So there is more possible capacitance between A and B in the litz than there is with the 2 20 awg wires.

We are talking about capacitance between A and adjacent B strands, let alone contact and proximity with other adjacent windings. 

Litz doesnt only come in weave form.  Examples below. 

Just something I had been thinking of for some time.

Mags

Thanks Mags for explaining your Litz reasoning.

Worth testing!

Luc

[gotoluc]

Thanks for all the information Gyula

At this point I'm going to get some AC caps from storage and test with higher voltages

Luc

[gotoluc]

Well, not much luck finding anything with the coil connected in bifilar series and using high voltage discharges. Voltage and Current seem to be in phase.
The current sensing resistor is a carbon 1 ohm 1% resistor. Voltage probe is no.1 (green) and current probe is no. 2 (yellow)

The Scope shots below range from 50vdc to 1000vdc and cap value from 16.66uf from 50 to 250vdc, 10.16fuf rom 300 to 800vdc and 3.44uf for 1000vdc
Each pic title has the details. The recovery is from the diode as the coil falls back.
I did not bother with the coil height measurement for each test as they were all higher Joule energy for the height reached then when using low voltage. Basically, the higher the voltage the more Joule energy it take for the coil to travel up. The coil wants to go up faster as the voltage increase but so does the generator effect increase at the same time. So more and more energy is wasted as voltage goes up.

I'm not going beyond 1kv as the coils wire insulation could be compromised.

Luc

[synchro1]

@Gotoluc,

Thanks for trying! One other note in passing; Quote from Norman Wootan:

"Joel and I were successful in isolating and identifying the fundamental Ferromagnetic Resonant Frequency as being around 174.9 KHz".

It might help to use this frequency. The only alternative left after that, would involve rewinding the series bifilar coils to self resonate at the ferromagnetic frequency of 174.9 Khz, and then try pulsing them at the same rate.

One other quote from Norman:

"Doesn't it sound ironic that this freq should fall so close to what the Corums have determined that Tesla designed his big coil out in Colorado springs around"?

Tesla lit 200 incandescent bulbs wirelessly at a distance of 26 miles with his big coil and ground currents!

It appears that Tesla's magnet wave has a power band!

[gyulasun]

Hi Luc,

Thanks for showing the waveforms of your tests. I am trying to understand why you said the voltage and current seem to be in phase.

I see it differently, in the very moment of switch-on, the full capacitor voltage is across the coils and the current is zero. As the capacitor discharges (its voltage decreases) the inductor current increases and when the capacitor is fully discharged, the current has increased to its maximum value.
This would mean a at least a 85 degree phase lag for the current versus the voltage, no?
Then the reverse induction (due to the falling coil) starts to charge up the capacitor to an opposite polarity it had at discharge, while the coil current starts reducing, so here we have an increasing voltage versus a decreasing current.
It is okay that when the coil stops moving, the induced voltage becomes nearly zero then zero and the current also will be zero in the end.

Good and informative tests, thanks.

Gyula