Solid State Orbo System

[exnihiloest]

The magnets vibrated due to it's field perturbing the localized region of the B-Field located inside the toroid, which perturbed the uncurled A-Potential outside the toroid where your magnets were.
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Total nonsense and blah. Please give the equations relating the potential vector to the forces on a permanent magnet!

[gravityblock]

Total nonsense and blah. Please give the equations relating the potential vector to the forces on a permanent magnet!

My response was about as much nonsense as your experiment. Take a look at Lumens response in regards to your experiment.  Your experiment and interpertation is total nonsense if you have a look at post #440, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8597.msg231685#msg231685

I can admit my nonsense, can you?

I will give you something to think about though.  When the field collapses after the pulse, the flux inside the core disengages and cuts the wires in the toroid and induces an EMF.  Why doesn't this induce a sufficient amount of EMF in the pickup coil to light the led's in Naudin's experiment without the magnets?  With the magnets, the led's light very brightly and this is evidence of a decent amount EMF induced in the pickup coil.  The flux is disengaging from the core due to the field collapsing, with or without the magnets. The magnets must be perturbing some kind of potential due to the field collapsing in order for the led's to light and for there to be more demagnetization energy received than the energy spent for the magnetization. 

The led's lighting and the EMF induced in the pickup coil has nothing to do with a small amount of flux leakage due to saturating the toroid because the pickup coil is open during the magnetization phase in Naudin's experiment.  Besides, if the field collapsing doesn't induce a decent EMF in the pickup coil without the magnets, then a very large hypothetical flux leakage from saturation isn't going to induce a decent EMF in the pickup coil either.

GB

[exnihiloest]

@exnihiloest

So what are you thinking?
When the coil is in the off state of the pulse, the magnet attracts to the core, and when the coil is in the saturated state, the magnet is no longer attracted.
This will cause a pulsing of a nearby magnet.

At what point exactly did you expect to NOT feel the pulse?

How does your experiment prove leakage of field?

Hi Lumen

I was referring to a static permanent magnet near a pulsed coil.
You are right when you say that "the magnet is no longer attracted" when the core is saturated (so if it is static, at each pulse it is shaken because of strong or weak attractions depending on saturation).
But it is just another way to say that the field linking the ferrite core and the magnet is changing. You cannot distinguish the case of a magnet influenced by a ferromagnetic mass with a varying mu, from a magnet influenced by a changing field generated by a ferromagnetic mass. As the second viewpoint perfectly describes what is observed and is in agreement with conventional physics laws, we must apply Okham's razor and consider that Orbo system doesn't involve a new phenomenon. Classical physics gives still the right model.

[gravityblock]

Hi Lumen

I was referring to a static permanent magnet near a pulsed coil.
You are right when you say that "the magnet is no longer attracted" when the core is saturated (so if it is static, at each pulse it is shaken because of strong or weak attractions depending on saturation).
But it is just another way to say that the field linking the ferrite core and the magnet is changing. You cannot distinguish the case of a magnet influenced by a ferromagnetic mass with a varying mu, from a magnet influenced by a changing field generated by a ferromagnetic mass. As the second viewpoint perfectly describes what is observed and is in agreement with conventional physics laws, we must apply Okham's razor and consider that Orbo system doesn't involve a new phenomenon. Classical physics gives still the right model.

Please answer the questions in Lumen's post: You skirted around these questions in your reply.

1) At what point exactly did you expect to NOT feel the pulse?

2) How does your experiment prove leakage of field?  This is in reference to saturation, and not in reference to the field collapsing after the pulse.

Do you now see how your experiment is nonsense along with your interpretation of it?

GB

[exnihiloest]

...If you can't accept the theory about the negative time flow of current, then you can't deny the effect of cooling ...

Where are the measurements about a cooling effect in Orbo system?