Lifters: Anti-gravity or simply ION WIND?

[iceweller]

  Additionally, using a pulsed power supply clearly shows increased thrust; you get better thrust with lower peak voltage than using "pure DC" at a higher voltage - this leaves room for thought. On a further note, the tests that I have seen conducted in vacuum used "Pure ripple free" DC. I agree that with a clean DC voltage most of the lift is generated by "ionic chain reaction" but not in the case of a pulsed DC. It is not only the voltage that counts - a critical aspect is the frequency and the type ringing that occurs with the lifter-PSU circuit (an LC).

   I have asked this before, but my posts never got through on the lifter group on the Naudin list so I will try again. I don't know if anyone knows, but this design apparently was replicated for the first time by some Michigan high school students along with their professor and presented it at the science school expo. It performed so incredibly that it called the attention of the "observers" and the project was "modified". I have heard that the design initially was not really as it is presented now by Ventura or Naudin. I have asked if anyone else had any information about this but never heard any feedback so if anyone has heard or has any information, please post it.

   Regards

[Phil]

Thanks for all the insightful replies and I appreciate the fact that the people on this site doesn't automatically "flame" someone for bringing up a sensitive (to some lifter experts) issue.
I agree there seems to be a lot more than meets the eye (or brain ) on this technology and your replies really got me to thinking, as an example while experimenting with my ?ION MACHINE? I noticed that if I moved my hand over the top (I?ll call it the ion-charge) I could ?trace? the shape of the field above the needle. I was reading some notes I jotted down at the time and I wrote that the ion ?wind? felt like it was spherical? almost like a ball of unseen force above my generator (it was quite amusing and felt cool on the hand and face like there was something there but not really ?blowing? like a mechanical fan would create.
As food for thought, perhaps it should be called an ?ION FIELD? instead of ION ?WIND? since it seems more like a ball of energy than a ?blowing? effect..? if that being the case maybe the lightweight lifters are in fact sitting on this ?ball?? and if there is any truth to this theory just maybe (if they indeed won?t work in a vacuum) they require the atmosphere as some part of the required equation to work?
I might seem to be contradicting myself in comparison to my first post but I guess the reason we have forums like this is to hear what everyone has to say and then start the thinking process all over again.

[Kysmett]

Do you have a smaller version than the one you posted?  could you put it on a scale?  or better yet, operate the lifter, tare out the scale and then slide it under.  Any change in the reading will indicate a downward force.  Perhaps not ion wind, maybe the force of this sphere you mention.  In anycase, it would be cool to see if there is a measurable effect beneath it.

[TechStuf]

Lifters make use of the exact same principle in all of those sharper image "ionic breeze" air purifier units, and although the effect can be made to do useful work....the real performer will force couple gravity or the Aether directly. ?This, I believe, is what was accomplished via the Kowsky-Frost discovery.

At the center of 'establishment science' resistance to the idea of Aether....is a rather robust 'misdirection engine'. ?It is known that the Apollo astronauts could not see stars outside either the moon or earth's gravity field. ?The warping of Einstein's 'space time' or Aether, accounts for a giant lens which gathers such light enabling us to resolve it. ?How can one navigate such an environment?  If such craft were able to generate their own fields....then they carry their lens with them!

It was foretold that man would obtain the knowledge to traverse the heavens....seeking to find the very throne of GOD himself. ?Knowing as we do, in our fringe areas of study, that extraterrestrial forces are hard at work here.....One would do well to ascertain for himself, which forces make use of him.

And after having made up his mind, discern which activities are the most important at this time.....re-inventing the wheel, so to speak......or actively aligning himself with those powers he most respects and seeking to ascertain His will and then do it.

Peace,

TS out

[Sojourner]

This is the very thing I am talking about when referring to 'lace-work'.

Thanks for all the insightful replies and I appreciate the fact that the people on this site doesn't automatically "flame" someone for bringing up a sensitive (to some lifter experts) issue.
I agree there seems to be a lot more than meets the eye (or brain ) on this technology and your replies really got me to thinking, as an example while experimenting with my ?ION MACHINE? I noticed that if I moved my hand over the top (I?ll call it the ion-charge) I could ?trace? the shape of the field above the needle. I was reading some notes I jotted down at the time and I wrote that the ion ?wind? felt like it was spherical? almost like a ball of unseen force above my generator (it was quite amusing and felt cool on the hand and face like there was something there but not really ?blowing? like a mechanical fan would create.
As food for thought, perhaps it should be called an ?ION FIELD? instead of ION ?WIND? since it seems more like a ball of energy than a ?blowing? effect..  if that being the case maybe the lightweight lifters are in fact sitting on this ?ball?? and if there is any truth to this theory just maybe (if they indeed won?t work in a vacuum) they require the atmosphere as some part of the required equation to work?
I might seem to be contradicting myself in comparison to my first post but I guess the reason we have forums like this is to hear what everyone has to say and then start the thinking process all over again.