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Overunity Machines Forum



Magnet motor in Argentina

Started by Jdo300, March 19, 2006, 12:46:30 AM

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jbh

For the records I am Biochemist and I also speek spanish, but I will not even try to translate something about this "machine". I does not worth the effort. I am convinced this is about a cheat, fraud or hoax. Anyone who knows a little about physics/thermodynamics know that energy/mass does not come out of nothing: it just can be converted. This is just another classic perpetual-movement-machine fraud. At first I thought it was some kind of system who could "get" energy from the magnetic force from the earth, in which case the "source" of energy could be explained, and the inventor gets the Nobel prize, but this is not the case. I Think the guy is just trying to get some stupid to fall in the trap and give away some money. I would not bother to call the guy or follow this case.

_GonZo_

I am Spanish, and I can translate it.
I am going to check right now his web page.
As well if there is some more info to be traslated then someone can post a full list of links to be checked I will make a resume of them.

Hope that my English is good enough

_GonZo_

In his web page there is not much information apart that the motor can runs at different speeds and it can be reversible with a complex mechanic system.

All the news in his news pages are from newspapers none of them are from any technical publication or University wich makes me think that of a scam.

I think that you want to know what says in the picture attached.

From left to the right more less...

Base = Base  ;D
Brazo elevable = Arm that is able to move upwards
Tapa = Cover
Sist. de descenso controlado = controled downwards system
Sist. de elevacion por ruedas = Wheels lifting system
Brazo rotor = Rotor arm
Eje brazo rotor = rotor arm axis
Rulemanes = Ball bearings
Rampa elevadora del br. elev. = Lifting ramp of the arm that is able to move upwards
Iman brazo rotor = Rotor arm magnet
Iman brazo elevable = Magnet of the arm that is able to move upwards


Omnibus

QuoteAll the news in his news pages are from newspapers none of them are from any technical publication or University wich makes me think that of a scam.

_GonZo_, the beauty of this kind of experiment is that it doesn?t need to have anything to do with a University. Put is on a table, let it run by itself and that?s enough for anyone, not just the experts, to conclude it?s viable. The problem is whether it does that. I can?t fathom that anyone would write about it, even a newspaper (in fact so many of them), if it hasn?t been shown to work as claimed.

How can one get in touch with the author and actually see the device?

Also, please translate the following:

?Primero vamos a establecer algunas variables : el brazo rotor (br) tiene una posicion inicial que llamaremos Pn, la fuerza magnetica de rechazo generada por el brazo rotor sera llamada Z1 por otro lado en el anillo externo nombraremos a cada modulo elevable como M1,M2,M3,etc y a su respectivas fuerzas magneticas de rechazo como F1,F2,F3,etc.Es imprescindible tener en cuenta que las fuerzas Z y F estan directamente relacionadas con el tama?o de los imanes y con la composicion de los mismos, de lo que terminamos deduciendo que Z=F+F+F=3F.

Los angulos de cortes (alfa) en los imanes de los modulos elevanles podran ser variados seg?n convenga para controlar aceleracion friccion magnetica,y velocidad. A saber que a medida que aumentamos (alfa) la friccion magnetica sera mayor, la aceleracion inicial sera mayor y la velocidad constante sera menor ,mientras que si alfa disminuye la aceleracion inicial sera menor y la velocidad constante aumentara.

Los angulos de corte (beta) y ubicacion de estos en los imanes del brazo rotor permitiran controlar sentido de giro.

La variacion producida en los angulos de corte en los imanes (alfa y beta ) permiten la desviacion de las lineas de fuerza de manera que al aumentar el angulos de corte en cualquiera de estos la desviacion de las lineas de fuerza magnetica sera considerablemente mayor hacercandoce mas a los polos mientras que al disminuir estos angulos las lineas de fuerza se desviaran en forma inversa

La variable Q representa las fuerzas opuestas en las que incluimos friccion,rozamiento,gravedad,peso,etc.En la posicion inicial (P1) el brazo rotor se encuentra en reposo generando Z1 por otro lado por sistema mecanico M4 se eleva por lo que su fuerza de rechazo magnetica no influye sobre el brazo rotor ; cabe aclarar que el resto de las M estan todas bajas .
Como Z1 se rechaza con F1,F2,F3 y tambien parte de F15,F16 logramos obtener una fuerza de rechazo magnetico que llamamos X y que sera igual a Z1+F+F+F=X despejando la ecuacion nos queda X=F+F+F+F+F+F=6F Por otro lado Fq=F concluimos en que X>>>F4 (F4 es la F generada por M4) (aclaramos que F4<F debido a su desplazamiento y que X>>>Q por lo que obligamos al brazo rotor a desplazarce hacia la posicion 2(P2), por sistema mecanico M4 baja y se eleva M5 repitiendo todo el proceso anterior ,de esta manera el brazo rotor se desplaza infinitamente (Pn+1) X=6F-F4-Q=4+?

_GonZo_

Hi Omnibus, you are right to make any experiment you do not have to be in a university or even in any other technical group, but after it is published in NewspaperS as it has been dont you think that some technical groups will not be interested in the device?

This is the translation of that text wich is the biggest explanation about how it works by the inventor:

First we are going to establish some variables: the rotor arm (br) has a starting point which we will call Pn, the magnetic force by ricochet generated by the rotor arm will be call Z1 call on the other side in the external ring we will name to each elevateable modulus like M1, M2, M3, etc. and to its respective magneticas forces by ricochet like F1, F2, F3, etc. It is? essential to consider that forces Z and F are directly related to the size of magnets and the composition of such, of which we ended up deducing that Z=F+F+F=3F.

The cuts angle (alpha) in magnets of the lifting magnest can be varied in order to control acceleration, magnetic friction, and speed. To knowledge that as we increased (alpha) the magnetic friction will be greater, the greater initial acceleration will be higher and the constant speed will be lowerand otherwise.

The cut angle (beta) and location of these in magnets of the rotor arm will allow us to control direction of rotation.

The variation produced in the cut angle in magnets (alpha and beta) allows the deviation of the lines of force so that when increasing the cut angles in anyone of these the deviation of the lines will be considerably greater so the magnetic force when diminishing these angles the lines of force were turned aside in inverse form

The variable Q represents the opposed forces in which we included friction, friction, gravity, weight, etc. En the starting point (P1) the rotor arm is in rest generating Z1, in the other side by mecanic system M4 is rised so its ricochet magnetic force does not influence the rotor arm; let me clarify that the rest of the Ms are all down.

As Z1 is rejected with F1, F2, f3 and also part of F15, F16 we managed to obtain a by ricochet magnetic force that we will call X and that will be equal to Z1+F+F+F=X clearing the equation X=F+F+F+F+F+F=6F.
On other side Fq=F we can concluse that X>>>F4 (F4 is generated by M4) let me clarify that F4<F due its desplacementt and that X>>>Q so we are forcing to the rotor arm to move to position 2(P2), mecanically M4 goes down and M5 elevates repeating all process, this way the rotor arm moves infinitely? (Pn+1) X=6F-F4-Q=4+?