Magnet motor in Argentina

[ewitte]

I wonder when they will get those new batteries out?  It would be easy enough to power the house by just throwing 100KG of those (130KW) into a hybrid car and charging the house up each night. 

[orionjf]

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But- if you look at the interaction of the stator magnets with the rotor, because the rotor has moved, it is resisting the stator magnet's return more strongly
than it was assisting its elevation.? You will find that the amount by which those two forces differ is the same as the forward force on the rotor.

That?s right. It was happen in my model. Also I agree that the main issue is the "recover" cycle that has two actions: lifting (no problem and a very small interaction with rotor) and pushing down (all problems). This cycle involves z component mainly, that is just not calculate by FEMM, unless we simulate z-x plane and z-y plane separated. The "torque cycle" has not problems and works: holding by hands the rotor and stators in the ideal point, the torque is good. The problem is to recover this ideal point ... by itself.
I agree treb79 too talking about springs. I guess it is more important timming, even if you recover only a portion of energy due to non-linear behaviour, losses, etc, but recover at time. If you recover all but not in time I think it will be worst.

Maybe, there is another thing that can help. If you see original model pictures, the stator case is so long (I think ..), that is, the distance between its axis (rotation up-down) and the face in front of rotor. I built a shorter (compared) stator (see my pictures) and I think it is wrong (my model). As long as the stator less force you need to push down due to it is multiplied by stator lenght for getting the same work. There is a very easy test pushing down stator by hand at differents point of pressure (different distances). But long stator implies higher distance to lift and down because the work is the same. The limit, from my point of view, is timming again: we can reduce the force to push down (with the same work) but there is a time to do it useful that limits the distance that stator has to cover and then, the stator lenght. Another parameter to cook ... and another parameter that goes round timming. It seems if a timming is given all design parameters are fixed...Only one asyncronous parameter could stop the device.
Regards

[orionjf]

I start to think about "a little bit of help" from outside for working properly. A little bit energy to force timming (more important than the order of magnitude of the energy applied that can need the device). It is not "bad" if this energy is less than the device can provide using this help.....

All simulations are welcome and can help to understand the device. I really appreciate Tao work and every idea or suggestion from everybody. Only to do nothing is not good.
Regards

[silverdragonrs]

i had concidered that earlier georgemay and had desided to save it for future models after a working model was in my possesion. but by al means drw it up and the details can be worked out.... i would recomend starting a new thread for it though as your ideas may be confused by any new readers. they may think that this is part of the original torbay motor........ (just an idea ) i think we should start a new thread for torbay magnet motor improvements all together to save on all this confusion going on in here..... i beleive this thread was to learn, understand, and replicate the original torbay motors..... as they work as is....

i am not descoraging further development at all i am incouraging it.... just on a seperate thread

danny

[hartiberlin]

There is always more than one stator magnet down in the gap,
so it is easy to lift the old one up.
If you want to lift the old stator magnet the next
one is already half way down, so it requires less force to lift
the old up.
So all in all the lifting back into the stator circle requires
less energy than you get from the rotor magnet torque.

I will show this in a few FEMM simulations soon.

So all the skeptics have not yet understood the motor concept.

Regards, Stefan.