Magnet motor in Argentina

[Liberty]

Final design in my opinion is the one suggested by Torbay. Eight (or sixteen as in the patent) stator magnets with levers, beveled at the bottom and with small wheels on top. Three rotor magnets attached on a 9.5cm HD disc, a larger wheel attached appropriately ahead of the three rotor magnets and a motor cap attached to the rotor with an appropriate opening and a sloping ramp.

As far as I can tell none of the proposed slight modifications can beat original Torbay's design so far.

I wish you well in your attempts and bid you farewell.

[jaybird]

liberty: I wish you well in your attempts and bid you farewell.

Liberty, please don't be offended and leave, we will need your help. NO ONE has stated that we are concrete on a final design that I was aware of either...I think Omnibus has decided and cast his vote for that particular design, but we should all propose, then perhaps decide and even vote... or else we lose our cohesivness and cannot multiply our efforts...please feel free to pitch in on a new thread I am creating.

omnibus: Like I said, the thread is overburdened and there's no place especially for tasteless jokes.

speaking of overburdened...please lighten up a little omnibus...I thought it was funny 

Since we may be stretching this thread to its max, I'll start a new thread (will have to finish it later after I get back from a job) called "Torbay Replication effort"...please everyone feel free to join the thread and lets decide on a concrete design or design(s)...

Thanks everyone for your cooperation! 

[Omnibus]

No, jaybird, tao's remark wasn't funny and he had to hear it clearly. If he's not polite he should hear it.

On the final design -- I think you're right, since no new proposals are in sight let's vote.

[Feb2006]

I think my design in Reply #305 is simpler, only one wheel on each stator piece to do the lifting and down puch
no wheel on the rotor no bevel on each stator piece only a up ramp a down ramp and hold down on the rotor (motor) cap.

Tommy,

   Sorry, my previous response fired off prematurely.
I like your design, but there's only one part of it that troubles me: Every time the wheel traverses
from the rotor holddown to the upramp, and again from the upramp to the downramp, the wheel
is instantaeously obliged to reverse ITS direction of rotation. This effect will certainly act as a
brake to the whole motor, analogous to turbine RETROjets utilized in commercial jet aircraft immediately after
touchdown which contribute to deceleration.
                                                                                 

U can use two weels on the stator.
Butt i think i use Torbay's design first or maybe not havent decided yet.
I think this is a great way to share ideas and we all dont have to build the motor the exact same way.
And a litle humour is no harm .   
                                                     Take care.            tommy                                                                                       

[hartiberlin]

I am convinced that the motor works/looks like this:

The rotor has three magnets(N pointing toward stator magnets) on it like the pictures and patents show, and all around the stator are magnets (N pointing toward rotor) that are on wood or metal pieces with a triangle formation on their bottoms so they can be lifted by the rotor as it moves.

The KEY to this motor and the reason it works is due to the fact that a stator magnet if LIFTED. This lifting happens BEFORE the three rotor magnets get near that lifted magnet and the magnet if lifted ABOVE all the stator magnet so that there isn't any interactions.

The reason the magnet lifting is the KEY is detailed below:
Just as Jason O pionted out with one of his pictures, when you have a complete circle of magnets with all N poles facing inward and you place one rotor magnet inside with N pole facing the stators, nothing happens!
BUT, when you take out one of those stator magnets what you have now if a semi-circle of stator magnets pointing N poles inward and if you place that same rotor magnet inside with N pole facing the stators that magnet will move QUICKLY TO THE GAP that was created by lifting that one stator magnet, because it has a way out from the N<->N repulsions!

Okay, I totally agree.

So in the Argentina motor, we have a situation where a cat is chasing it's tail and can NEVER catch it.

Right.

It is the act of CONSTANTLY lifting a stator magnet that makes the three rotor magnets MOVE TO THE GAP (AKA THE MAGNET YOU JUST LIFTED). I think it would be safe to say that you could lift the stator magnet that is TWO MAGNETS away (as opposed to the exact next magnet as the patent shows) from the rotor's current position and the device would still work, becuase those rotor magnets would want to get to that gap point.

Also, as long as you don't put down that lifted stator magnet BEFORE you lift the NEXT one then the device will keep on "chasing it's tail!!"

Exactly. it does not need to be exactly in front of the rotor, but it can also be a few more stator magnets away.

So all the design requires it a stator with liftable magnets, the rotor with the two/three rotor magnets, and the RAMP that is on the rotor that lift the oncoming stator magnets one by one. That is oversimplified, but shows the basic and main features that are needed!

Right, Tao,
also it would be sufficient, if the rotor cap ( lid-cap) is able to hold down all the stator magnet
and only one stator magnet is automatically lifted by the huge repelling forces, where the
lid-cap has a hole (break) in it.
If the rotor lid-cap turns, every next stator magnet will pop up
due to the repelling forces and the ramp on the lid-cap will
force the already lifted statormagnet to go down again under the lid-cap.
This way there need not to be any wheel or springs, just stator magnets
on a fullcrum, that go automatically up due to the reppeling forces
when the lidcap hole reaches them.

This is then much simpler !
I wonder, how many RPM such a design can get and how loud it runs,
as it will make a permanent noise as the stator magnets pop up and
go down one after the other.....

Too bad, no Argentina user has yet found the AVI files from Torbay in any
Argentina Forum. Can you please again ask in spanish language for the AVI video
files in all related Argentina forums please ?
Many thanks.