LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work

[Butch LaFonte]

I'm maxed out right now, but will read ever post and try to comment on as many as possible.
Thanks so much guys,
Butch

[Butch LaFonte]

I feel at this point that the gaps are not the way to go and will cause cogging. I may be wrong here, but I see it that way at this point. Also, the rotor od and the stator id need to be as close to a perfect circle as possible and as small an air gap between as possible. .005" would be good, but hard to do with out CNC fabrication.
Butch

[gyulasun]

I can try smaller magnets to reduce the saturation, but I do not agree that a 10 Ohm coil can have any significant parasitic capacitance. I've done a lot of testing with high Ohm coils. In the picture below is a 76 and 121 Ohm coil using 28 gauge wire. Thane has done 100's of test. 60 Ohm is close to the lowest that would cause the speed up effect.

My 76 Ohm coil seems close in size to one of those used by Lafonte group in earlier test, where they used four spools.


'In your earlier tests when you found input power demand increased for the 10 Ohm load wrt the 100 Ohm load'    Not sure what you stated here.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry,

Thanks for your answer, and I stand corrected your 10 Ohm coil cannot have enough capacitance to cause the speed up effect. I simply thought your output coil earlier was manufactured to be the primary coil of a normal mains transformer and it may have insulation papers between its multilayer construction, this increases self capacitance.

I put my last notice you questioned otherwise:  In your earlier tests you found the prime mover drew higher input power when your load was 10 Ohm instead of the 100 Ohm. I asked how can the input power increase be explained in a setup like that? (Because the setup seems to exlude or reduce the normal generator effect to a minimum;   I refer to your setup shown in Reply #99.)   And this is why I hinted at some mechanical revision in the actual setup, for the theoritical setup seems ok in this respect.  Sorry for this.

Thanks, Gyula

[LarryC]

Thanks for your answer, and I stand corrected your 10 Ohm coil cannot have enough capacitance to cause the speed up effect. I simply thought your output coil earlier was manufactured to be the primary coil of a normal mains transformer and it may have insulation papers between its multilayer construction, this increases self capacitance.

I put my last notice you questioned otherwise:  In your earlier tests you found the prime mover drew higher input power when your load was 10 Ohm instead of the 100 Ohm. I asked how can the input power increase be explained in a setup like that? (Because the setup seems to exlude or reduce the normal generator effect to a minimum;   I refer to your setup shown in Reply #99.)   And this is why I hinted at some mechanical revision in the actual setup, for the theoritical setup seems ok in this respect.  Sorry for this.

Hi Guyla,

No need to think me for my answers, as I appreciate having someone with your knowledge and experience to bounce these concepts off.

I was able to lift up the plastic bobbin edge on the H transformer. Couldn't see any paper on the primary that I'm using, but there seemed to be a few paper partitions in the secondary. The secondary has multiple outputs so that seems correct.

Not sure which post you seen with higher input power with 10 Ohm instead of 100 Ohm. I'm still using the setup shown in #99 and in reply #126 with the old 4 magnet setup, the input watts went up with the Ohms.

Did you notice my comment about the resistors got much hotter faster with the H transformer only. Plastic melting hot in several minutes, whereas with the switcher not even close. I'm thinking it has something to do with the voltage and current being more in line (power factor) with the H transformer then with the Switcher setup. I believe this is an important observation.

I did try some weaker magnets, but it only resulted in much less power output. I think the large air gaps (3/8 and 5/8), that I'm using is eliminating any saturation problem.

Regards, Larry   

[HopeForHumanity]

This really looks promising. All the problems people are running into look like they can be problem solved, so its all the more reason not to give up. Keep up the good work guys; i'm really liking this!