LaFonte Group can turn off permanent magnet without work

[petersone]

Hi EM
I was waiting until someone mentioned that,I didn't like to say anything,for me Butch can do no wrong,but,normal Lenz's law applies,as I see it.
peter

[LarryC]

[A author=EMdevices link=topic=8852.msg234740#msg234740 date=1269636362]
The concept presented here runs into trouble when a coil is placed and loaded on one or both arms of the "switcher".  When that happens, the magnetic path of these legs has changed it's apparent AC reluctance and the flux will not prefer to "flow" that way, once that happens the magnetic fields/flux  configures itself such that the rotor will experience a torque, and if you fight that torque in order to to rotate the rotor, you're imputing energy into the system.

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So EM, I guess you didn't see the video where the input amps drops when the output is shorted.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LaFonteGroup#p/u/10/AXmcsDUyzeU

Regards, Larry

[4Tesla]

I have to say it is a very cool discovery, but I agree with EM that I don't see how it can be used to get OU.

4Tesla

[petersone]

Hi 4Tesla
As I said,normal Lenz's law applies,as I see it,the amp draw when the coils are shorted needs to be compaired with the amp draw of the motor when it is free running,nothing on the shaft.It could be just canceling the iron loses,as I have found myself,and got excited over nothing!!Butch is still a hero.
peter

[Butch LaFonte]

[A author=EMdevices link=topic=8852.msg234740#msg234740 date=1269636362]
A magnet or electromagnet can be turned ON AND OFF with pretty much no NET energy consumption.
However, if you try and extract energy from this changing magnetic field you will inevitably see it reflected on the input.
The concept presented here runs into trouble when a coil is placed and loaded on one or both arms of the "switcher".  When that happens, the magnetic path of these legs has changed it's apparent AC reluctance and the flux will not prefer to "flow" that way, once that happens the magnetic fields/flux  configures itself such that the rotor will experience a torque, and if you fight that torque in order to to rotate the rotor, you're imputing energy into the system.
The software used to simulate the "switcher" should be used to simulate the WHOLE problem including the output coils under a load, and then it will become apparent why it is unfortunately NOT overunity.
So remember, a MAGNETOSTATIC simulation will only get you excited and then into trouble and wasted time when you try and extrapolate the results to a dynamic problem.
EM
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We attempted to create a torque on the rotor to simulate a lenz reaction or so called motor action. We did this by using an external DC power supply to run large amp rates through the coils in an attempt to get the generator to operate as a motor. The rotor was unaffected by the coils magnetic field and could be rotated with ease and with no cogging. It was so interesting to see the device unable to be operated as a motor, but when the rotor was rotated it operates as a generator. I defy you to find a generator that you can run current through the coils and not get a reaction to the coils magnetic field by the rotor. The air gap in this design remains constant and there is no torque effect on the rotor, but the rotation of the rotor causes a complete reversal of the magnetic field every rotation. Run current through this generator's coils and try to run it like a motor and you will get nothing, but run it light a generator by turning the rotor and you will get electrocuted.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte