Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor

[Low-Q]

I don't think there is a hidden batery in this device. How would you look if somebody sees it ? This acrylic rig of his is quite transparent. And in overall, it would be just to lame ;]

Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low quality video on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.

The rpm is clearly slown down at the next video take. The rpm are too stable at the first few minutes of the video, also in the few minutes of the second take, to determine the process visually. It is too much noise in the background and turbulence of the blades to say exactly how much it slows down during the "stable" rpm period.
The second take was done a bit later in the session according to the clock on the wall displayed after the second video take was started. During that time, the motor had slown down enough to easily see the result with an audio spectrometer.

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[zerotensor]

Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low  on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.

Yes, as far-out as it might seem to you, the low quality video on youtube does indeed contain enough information to strongly support the notion that the device slows down.  The three minutes of audio exhibit spectral banding on a number of overtones, each with nearly identical slopes, only during the portion of the audio which contains the sound of the machine.  A 20Hz hum in the background remains rock-solid for the duration of the clip.  It is true that compression algorithms can and do introduce all manner of artifacts into the spectrogram of an audio file, but the broad features which I cite are not compression artifacts.

As an analogy, imagine instead analyzing a JPEG file.  Sure, a zoomed-in view a few pixels across will not contain much accurate information about the details of the subject, but the full image will more-or-less faithfully reproduce the original, uncompressed source.  Similarly, a couple hundred samples of a compressed audio file may diverge from the uncompressed source audio significantly, but a broad look at the ~3.9 million 16-bit samples in the 3-minute audio clip does actually give us some useful information.  (assuming the codec does its job properly).

While I think this is very good evidence that the machine in the video slowed-down, I have not made any claim as to *why* this happened.  It's just data.  Hopefully, this data helps us to understand a little more fully what's going on in the demonstration.

Here is an annotated, JPEG-compressed image file which indicates the 20Hz hum I was talking about.  Note that even though the image has been compromised by lossy compression, and the details are a bit fuzzy, you can still read the text and see the "overall picture". 

[Bertoa]

All in all, I think it's just to soon to bury this A. He's is currently doing everything he can do. He needs investors so he presents the device. He is just in the middle of the patent procedure so he cannot open the device. If he want's to make money with it he just cannot give you everything on the table. And stop talking about open source like it's the best thing to do. It isn't. Every single one of you would firstly replicate it and then go and start a production company. The inventor would remain just an inventor. Yes he will find himself in Wikipedia. Yes he will write a book, start a web page etc. But all of you know, that the only guy who makes the real money is the guy with the first production line. Why cannot it be the inventor himself? Hasn't he earned this ? And if he starts the production company - won't you buy the device ? Won't the environment get better ? It will. So give this guy a break and let him work. If he's a scum you will know that sooner or later. If you don't trust him simply don't invest. But stop blaming him of being a businessman. Sorry for offtopic.

Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!   

[Omnibus]

Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!

I disagree. Before the claims are sustained properly I don't think anybody should waste time on replicating it. We've been through such craziness and have met with nothing but dead-end. No way, Jose. Not again.

[sigmaX]

something a bit obvious:

Why the weird noise ?

If it is an all magnet motor, wouldn't it be completely silent ?

The ony way it could make such noise would be if the magnets had to move, inside it, while being attracted or repelled ... but -correct me if I am wrong- in the dismantling there is no movement on the magnets to grant that noise ? (maybe it is shown, I do not recall and I cannot look right now).

So again: if there is no moving magnet when dissasembling the motor, where does that noise come from ?? it is just too loud ...

Sigmax