Self running coil?

[Magluvin]

I think what luc is getting at is, if it takes virtually zero input to get the higher voltage, and if the SG circuit is very low in input, that the cap voltage will soon be at par with being able to run everything. I would suggest some regulation to the sg chip unless it has self regulation to maintain freq position.
The key was to get above the 12v battery in order to replace it.
The Sg3525 uses 5ma to run the oscillator, and if the output load is nill, he should be able to run the SG chip circuit with his output.
So he is only a couple steps away from looping this thing, if not there already with 1 step. =]

I have a couple of these chips I am going to try on the Orbonbon. There are some simpler circuits than shown above to get one up and running.

Mags

[LightRider]

JL Naudin have the same simple principle ... Really Impressive !

Look at:

2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/2SGen/index.htm (french)
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm (english)

"The hidden principle: the core magnetization/demagnetization process"

Diagram, parts, wire gage, etc ... every thing is there.

So, to have more information goto JLN web site.
Everything is there, including the scientific explanation.

I hope this will help
LightRider

[conradelektro]

Hello Luc,

I like your video, which I found when looking for "solid state orbo" replications.

Unfortunately it is impossible to follow your explanations without schematics. I know how much work it is to provide meaningfull schematics, but it would be very helpful to base the discussion on solid grounds.

I am very interested in what you are doing with the toroid, magnets and the pick up coil and would like to replicate it.

I built an orbo replication (just the motor part) and found it very difficult to come up with a sound mechanical design. My "orbo" is turning quite nicely but the torque is very low. So I did not bother to add pic up coils, the output would be way below the input to the toroids.

My contraption starts spinning with about 0,5 Watts per toroid. And I can not send more than about 4 Watts trough each toroid (which makes my "orbo" spin wildly), otherwise they become hot quickly. So, coming up with something that spins quite nicely is easy. Getting more output than input is the difficulty (which everybody will have noticed by now). Steorn uses magnet bearings and a very high turn rate and still the output seems to be rather low, even negligible.

So I switched my little research efforts to "solid state orbos".

I follow the efforts of Mr. Naudin  http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm , but can not even replicate his results (I get much less output for what I put in than he does).

Greetings, Conrad

[mscoffman]

I think what luc is getting at is, if it takes virtually zero input to get the higher voltage, and if the SG circuit is very low in input, that the cap voltage will soon be at par with being able to run everything. I would suggest some regulation to the sg chip unless it has self regulation to maintain freq position.
The key was to get above the 12v battery in order to replace it.
The Sg3525 uses 5ma to run the oscillator, and if the output load is nill, he should be able to run the SG chip circuit with his output.
So he is only a couple steps away from looping this thing, if not there already with 1 step. =]

I have a couple of these chips I am going to try on the Orbonbon. There are some simpler circuits than shown above to get one up and running.

Mags

@magluvin

That *is* the other way to do it. A quick look at the Mot. SG3525
spec sheet shows that it has an internal (series) voltage regulator.
Vcc= 8->35Vdc for an internal => 5.1Vdc...all systems should
be go.

If one needs to go to microwatts a digital circuit like in a digital
watch could be used. It all depends on what is needed. That is
- if there is non-input supplied gain there. I'll keep my fingers
crossed. Also medium or smaller power mosfet will have less
internal parasitic capacitance therefore require less AC drive
power at the expense of slightly higher source-to-drain resistance.
This may be reasonable trade since the coil doesn't draw anything
on average, just in the on/off pulses.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[skywatcher]

Unfortunately it is impossible to follow your explanations without schematics. I know how much work it is to provide meaningfull schematics, but it would be very helpful to base the discussion on solid grounds.

The circuit diagram needs not to be drawn with some nice software. A hand-drawn and scanned or photographed sketch would be ok. This doesn't take much time, but it would improve the understanding a lot. For me it's also not clear how the components are connected.