GBluer(Slayer) Exiter

[flathunter]

Here are guys.  I can get a nice hand held jacobs ladder using an MJE 13007 and 32V input.  Also no problem lighting 2 halogen lamps,10 W.  They glow beautifully, like my xenon beaker (last few secs of vid).  They will light from 12V using Mosfets, and the spark is just a little shorter in length.  I cant try the Mosfets on more than 15V or they blow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSXdzWC6EA

Yes, exniholest - current is consumed.  But its still great fun.....and who knows whats possible?

[WilbyInebriated]

A "faux pas" is just your subjective opinion, arbitrary provided outside of any rational arguments.

LMFAO... your last response was an appeal to popularity and now you claim i did not provide a rational argument?? LOL!! that's too funny... a rational argument was provided. consumed is neither precise nor specific. choose a more appropriate word like transformed.

It is really the energy of flowing electrons that is consumed, for example their kinetic energy when heating a resistance because of their collisions with the atomic lattice.

no. it is really transformed. it is not consumed. energy CANNOT be "consumed" except in the sense that you buy it again and again... if you are asserting energy can be consumed you should show us the experimental evidence...

Thus "consumed current" perfectly describes the phenomenon.

the whole art of science is to describe what happens exactly... "transformed current" is far more specific and precise than "consumed current". therefore, "consumed current" does not even come close to describing the phenomenon "perfectly" unless one is attempting to perpetuate a misconception.

[exnihiloest]

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no. it is really transformed. it is not consumed.
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You are repeating truisms. Of course energy is never "consumed" because it is conserved.
When we say "something is consumed", we mean that "something" from an energy source has produced a useful work and the source has been depleted.

When electrons heat a resistance, the heat comes from the energy of the electrons, then we can say "current is consumed" in despite the fact that the current is maintained constant by the battery replenishing the energy of the flowing electrons. Simple question of rhetorics.

[WilbyInebriated]

You are repeating truisms. Of course energy is never "consumed" because it is conserved.
When we say "something is consumed", we mean that "something" from an energy source has produced a useful work and the source has been depleted.

When electrons heat a resistance, the heat comes from the energy of the electrons, then we can say "current is consumed" in despite the fact that the current is maintained constant by the battery replenishing the energy of the flowing electrons. Simple question of rhetorics.

your response is a fallacy. more than once now, i have given you a rational argument and you have not addressed how your claim is a "more perfect" description than mine. instead you have danced around, positing logical fallacies as your responses. first it was appeal to popularity, now it is red herring. regardless, the whole art of science is to describe what happens exactly... "transformed current" is far more specific and precise than "consumed current". thus, "consumed current" does not even come close to describing the phenomenon "perfectly" unless one is attempting to perpetuate a misconception.

from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consumed
con·sume  (kn-sm)
v. con·sumed, con·sum·ing, con·sumes
v.tr.
1. To take in as food; eat or drink up. See Synonyms at eat.
2.
a. To expend; use up: engines that consume less fuel; a project that consumed most of my time and energy.
b. To purchase (goods or services) for direct use or ownership.
3. To waste; squander. See Synonyms at waste.
4. To destroy totally; ravage: flames that consumed the house; a body consumed by cancer.
5. To absorb; engross: consumed with jealousy. See Synonyms at monopolize.
v.intr.
1. To be destroyed, expended, or wasted.
2. To purchase economic goods and services: a society that consumes as fast as it produces.

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consume
Definition of CONSUME
transitive verb
1: to do away with completely : destroy <fire consumed several buildings>
2a : to spend wastefully : squander
  b : use up <writing consumed much of his time>
3a : to eat or drink especially in great quantity <consumed several bags of pretzels>
  b : to enjoy avidly : devour <mysteries, which she consumes for fun â€" E. R. Lipson>
4: to engage fully : engross <consumed with curiosity>
5: to utilize as a customer <consume goods and services>
intransitive verb
1: to waste or burn away : perish
2: to utilize economic goods


it appears you are making up your own definitions for words now. if you want to believe in your little misconception that is fine, but do not attempt to perpetuate it upon others...

[flathunter]

why come to this thread to discuss the meaning of consume?

Isnt there a ''grammarandsemantics.com'' forum somewhere, which would suit you boys better?

Surely here we wanna see exciters with exciting results.....

Sorry for the off topic post - It is my last, I promise.