Vector based magnet motor idea

[Low-Q]

Hi,

I accidently came up with an idea that might be worth giving an eyeball. I was looking at the kids playing with a seesaw (I think I found the word for it now)

So I thought: How to make it motorized by attaching big magnets on each end, both magnets with same polarity up, but under this seesaw, there is a very big round disc A with north up on one side and south up on the other side. If we now turn this big disc magnet, the seesaw will tilt back and forth according to what side of the tilt that is repelling and attracting the big disc magnet. But what force is preventing me to rotat this wheel? It seems obvious that I do not have to apply any force at all to tilt this seesaw up and down because the net force in repel and attraction equalize in one complete round so no energy have to be applied to it.

So I thought further: What if we load this tilt seesaw with a fixed coil next to each magnet in the seesaw and harness the energy by letting the magnets pass this coil up and down? Will it still be forceless to turn the big disc magnet? Isn't the repelling and attraction forces still equalizing to zero net energy requirement? Isn't the magnets in the seesaw only working in a vector 90 degrees on the rotating disc magnet? As far as I know, the forces are within the magnets, but the velocity/movement is in 90 degrees off axis, which means no energy input required, but still energy out!

So my next thought was: What if this is it?? I instantly felt a pain in my stomach...

Look at the drawings below to see this idea - in a smaller version

[Low-Q]

It could be possible to the seesaw springloaded so it will oscillate at a gived RPM on the rotating disc magnet. That will increase the generated output hopefully without affecting the rotating disc magnet.

BTW! THE SEESAW IS NOT ROTATING. IT IS FIXED WITH A HINGE

Please look into this folks. If you do not fully understand the consept, please ask. If you understand it more well than I do, please correct my thoughts.

This idea could also be applied to a vertically aligned mill under water. The difference in weight of water between the surface and the bottom can force a given volume of air inside a cylinder to decrease and increase, as a piston made of a magnet moves in and out of a cylinder with a coil winded around it. The water pressure will make sure the pistons will move back and forth depending if the piston is by the surface or at the bottom. Nothing except the water will slow down this mill. Regardless of the load on each coil, the mill will rotate just as easy - though quite slow...but it would be OU as well I guess.

Vidar

[Lilhawk]

I don't think it will work

when red comes around to the lowside of the seesaw you say it will go up....but that side of the saw has a very strong attraction to blue...and the other side of the saw is too high (away) from disc to help break the lowside away from the disc....so that means you are trying to rotate red on the disc into the red on the low seesaw causing a counter force push against the disc before it even gets to seesaw

[Low-Q]

The seesaw is balanced and is totally free. So when the red approach, there is no weight to be moved up and away. Besides the blue is approaching the other magnet. Further, in one complete revolution the sum of all forces are zero anyways. So zero energy is spent in one complete revolution. Any problem can also be solved with a second disc magnet above the seesaw - if it is a problem with distance.

[Rapadura]

I'm glad more people are having ideas with seesaws! That's good!

I think this idea will not work the way it is configured, because there's no force that makes the disc rotate. The disc is static, and will not move if it don't receive an external force.